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depends entirely on the avatar. galactus crushes anything but a VERY high level wielder of the phoenix force. only one i've ever personally seen that can do it is jean - and she is the HIGHEST level wielder. rachel couldn't beat g (thor ko'd her in an issue of thor!), the guy from guardians of the galaxy (wish i could remember his name) couldn't do it either, and that was a weakened galactus. that same guy was also soundly beaten by dormammu.
so no, phoenix doesn't win 'easily'. there's a very good chance the avatar doesn't win at all, circumstances depending. i only recall one meeting between jean and g in the what if where she managed to fend him off - not beat him, (g said he COULD have beaten her, but it was not worth the great effort it would take) and again he was not at full power. i seem to think they've met another time, but i don't remember the exact situation.
is the pf potentially greater than g? of course, it apparently extends throughout the multiverse. but it needs to be wielded by an avatar and not all avatars (i'd say VERY few) can wield it with enough command to defeat a full power galactus.
wish everyone would stop saying 'phoenix wins' as soon as its name pops up . . .
The same logic of Galactus being at full power also applies to Phoenix at full power. The reason that most people say that Phoenix wins the vast majority of matches is because she should. People always say, "Well, Galactus wasn't at full power." How often have we seen a full power Galactus? What IS a full power Galactus? Is there even such a thing? If Galactus can be at full power, why can't the host have full command of his/her power?
Besides, Galactus is primarily energy, and Phoenix consumes energy. The same Phoenix that was KOed by Thor is the same one that managed to contain a nuclear explosion in Excalibur. Incidentally, Galactus was incredibly weakened by a nuclear explosion in Thanos.
By the way, the Phoenix associated with the Galactic Guardians and Guardians of the Galaxy is named Giraud. He and the Guardians got their butts handed to them by a Dormammu that had double power because he'd joined his past and future selves. He also defeated Dr. Strange, who incidentally has a certain immunity to Death. This same Phoenix also healed Eternity itself, as well as drained Korvac of his power and deposited him in another dimension.
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why should she? if that were the case, why HAVE the character?? if all she needs to do is show up and she wins against anything, what's the use of having her?? the pf is ridiculous, and my point (thankfully) remains the same - only certain avatars can wield/are CAPABLE of wielding/are PERMITTED to wield, the energy needed to defeat a galactus-level entity. full pf is greater than full g, so what difference does it make who's full powered or not? and strictly speaking, pf is a universal/multiversal protector. ie - depending on circumstances and the threat, the avatars powers may fluctuate, a fact clearly demonstrated by our combined examples. galactus however, is a universal force, doing what is in his nature and what the universe DICTATES he do. why should ANY avatar be granted power to stop him from doing ANYTHING? g is not a 'universal threat' - just the opposite in fact. if the pf is really what it purports to be, its avatar should NEVER be able to deal with galactus. unless the big g goes 'bad' or something . . .
and, considering the fact that g regularly consumes planets or stars and stands in the middle of them while they explode all around him, not to mention the fact that his own powers have at times shook the UNIVERSE, to intimate that g even FELT a nuclear explosion is among the most ludicrous things i've ever heard. and if it DID happen, the writer should be hung and it is deserving of never again being mentioned on this or ANY forum.
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there are MANY MANY avatars. anyone who wields the pf is an avatar. there have been many in the common marvel universe and dozens shown in alternate realities and seperate universes. jean is the white crown - most powerful of the avatars. least i'm ALMOST sure that's how it works . . .
Not really. Jean is the avatar, because she is one with the Phoenix Force. Racheal is a host of the Phoenix. So was Emma. There can be only one true avatar.
The One Above All
The Living Tribunal/The Heart Of The Universe/The Phoenix Force (disputable)
The Infinity Gauntlet
Eternity/Infinity/Full Power Galactus
Death
Etc.
here is what i have
i won't put God he should never be challenged.
after all my reading I have come to this conclusion
1) HOTU
2) Pre Rec Beyonder
3) LT
4) IG
5) Phoenix Force
6) Eternity (in IG he was seen the highest of all entities)
7) Infinity
8) Death (Multiversal) – In terms of power.
9) Oblivion
10) Chaos / Order
11) Full Power Galactus/ High end Celestials – there is theories (in marvel comics that Celestials are just like Galactus all survivors of different universes – also said to be born out of Galaxies)
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