Well I dont think Clark is gonna let the carnage happen in Smallville. He will make them take it somewhere else where Thor still wins even without his hammer.
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Thor has resisted the heat of our sun, Firelord's maximum output is that of a rather small star. Also, Thor has taken a hit from Firelord's flame before with no injury sustained.
spider-man took out fire-lord, that means that spider-man is stronger then Thor....who lost to him....and since Thor can stalemate galactus....that means that spierman can do the same...and since galactus=Phoenix, that means spider-man is on par with Phoenix possibly even stronger
Rage... that was cool :-), ... but to be serious... i am sure everybody knows that the Spiderman beating over Firelord was .... wholy shit... wasnt it ?
but... what would be interesting.... how strong is Thor WITHOUT Mjolnir.... i have seen fights without Mjolnir against Thor.... i was impressed of the stamina of Thor.. even without his hammer
but he hadnt really a chance against a brutal Hulk
but you would like Thor or you would NOT like thor........ the fact is , he is a hero WITH his weapon.... in this case.. MJOLNIR... and this combination makes he one of the most dominant Marvel Individuals ever...
by the way: the Thor (without Mjolnir)-Hulk fight.. has shown.... that even Thor without his hammer... can survive brutal Hulk attacks and can hand out awesome fists that even can bring a well experienced fighter (like Hulk) in troubles.... but like i said before: Thor "should" always lost without hammer .. against a (green) Savage or Mindless Hulk....
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<<Thor has resisted the heat of our sun, Firelord's maximum output is that of a rather small star. Also, Thor has taken a hit from Firelord's flame before with no injury sustained.>>
not that atum scene again? he was not really IN the sun. that was a sphere of power created by atum. thor has never (unless very recently and not counting king thor) been shown to be able to fly through suns.
without his hammer, firelord takes this for a number of reasons, not least which is he can speedblitz and fly.
<<Thor cannot take sustained Sun/Star level heat>>
"i have seen fights without Mjolnir against Thor.... i was impressed of the stamina of Thor.. even without his hammer
but he hadnt really a chance against a brutal Hulk"
He always fought the likes of Savage Hulk, sometimes stalemating, others having more problems but not being defeated.
Thats a far cry from " hadnt rally got a chance ".
And considering the Atum scene, yes it was stated there was a "sphere" inside the sun. Leo was right about it.
Thor can take Firelord/heralds attacks tho. The only problem of not having the hammer its that he cant fly. Wich means Firelord has his powers including better movement powerset.
(Thor still has godly weather control without the hammer, including the Godblast attack).
Its a difficult match to pick a winner from. Probably a slight edge to the Herald if he does not decide to make it strickly h2h.
Last edited by olympian on Oct 29th, 2005 at 02:39 PM
Thor takes firelord, he is one othe weakest herlader of Galactus. Thor would take him down if he as too, thor is too powerful for firelord he still can summon a powerful lighing bolt/thunder and project the godfroce blast with out the hammer.
Uh no! Destroyer, Silver Surfer, Morg, Stardust, Terrax, Nova,Firelord, Airwaliker. Godforce blast hurt Galactus badly what the hell you think it will do too Firelord who is not that durable.
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Oct 28th, 2005 10:18 PM
and he wanted Firelord to think about what was happening 
that was awesome, rage
