Dark Crawler, normally I'd agree with you if it was 616 Colossus in this match. But Ult. Colossus appears to be more closely related to Pre-Crisis Superman more than anything.
Fore the moment, let's say they are of the same strength, or a very slight difference.
Experience Namor has, I'll give you that.
Speed, on the other hand, doesn't seem to be a problem for Ult. Colossus to handle, as displayed when Iron Man rushed him looking for a victory through speed blitz. Colossus reacted in plenty of time to completely stop his forward momentum. And to my knowledge, Iron Man flies pretty freakin fast, probably faster than Namor even.
Skills, I'll give to Namor, but not by a huge gap though. Ult. Colossus has been shown to definitely possess some decent skills of his own, he definitely knows what he's doing.
Intelligence...up in the air. Piotr has been learning pretty hardcorely at the Xavier Institute for the past 4-5 years (as long as Ultimate X-men has been around) and the comics do sometimes take the time to mention his own intelligence during certain moments. Don't get me wrong, not taking that away from Namor. I know that he's muy intelligente.
And flight? Yea, Namor has that.
And then of course there's the durability department, Colossus' shining factor. Namor is hella durable, but I think almost everyone is put to shame by the sheer magnitude of Colossus' durability (save for a very few select characters). Namor's attacks won't produce anywhere near the desired level of damage that he hopes for when attacking Piotr.
All I'm saying is that Ult. Colossus appears to be a much more upgraded version of his 616 self, able to take on both Thor and Iron Man in the same comic. As well as many other amazing feats that I'm sure you've seen posted countless times in other threads.
My point is, I don't think it'll be quite that easy for Namor to take the victory in this match. Fact is, I'm still undecided myself. And well, I guess I'm somewhat of a Colossus fanboy, though I will admit when he's outclassed. I just don't see any major outclassing here though, that's all.
If I had to say anything, I'd give them both 5/10 for the time being.
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"Dark Crawler, normally I'd agree with you if it was 616 Colossus in this match. But Ult. Colossus appears to be more closely related to Pre-Crisis Superman more than anything"
I was not talking about flight speed, however, I was talking about fighting speed. Namor can literally punch Colossus dozen times in same time it takes Colossus punch one. His hand speed is incredible, he can move his hands with Mach speeds. Some examples for his hand speed:
Now, Iron Man was not flying with Mach speeds on the issue, and Namor's hands move with Mach speeds.
Yes, put Namor has skills as result of training that far outclasses Colossus's. He is the ruling monarch of warrior nation, and the best warlords oversaw his training (for example, Warlord Krang taught him in swordmanship). Compare that with seventy years of endless battle, and his skills do exceed Colossus's by far.
Maybe not with few punches, but ten or twenty (something that Namor can accomplish in less then half a minute) will wear him down. On the same time Colossus can try to hit him, but speed that enables him to dodge laser while being weak to the point of near fainting will enable him to dodge Colossus quite effortlessly.
And the durability gap is not that big. Namor can survive from being dropped to Earth and rise up like nothing has happened, for example.
Yes. Also, Captain Cold, Girder, and pretty much every Flash villain, who 90% have human reaction times have hit Flash. Same with Quicksilver. Spider-Man. Northstar. Speed Demon.
People with slow speeds hit them all the time. For the sake of the battle.
I'll give you that. I still believe Colossus will be able to hit him.
Hell, for all his arrogance (not so much a bad trait really), Namor, in character, will probably let Colossus get a good punch in, thinking that he's easily the superior in this fight.
That's just an idea, but I do think Ult. Colossus stands a chance here.
This is a difficult one. I'd say Namor will be dominating the entire fight, until Ult. Colossus gets his big hands on him : then we'll see how strong and durable Namor really is.
Namor 6/10.
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I'm assuming he meant that Ult. Colossus compared to 616 Colossus is like Pre-Crisis Supes compared to Post-Crisis Supes.
Strengthwise they're basically the same. Mobility - speed and flight - goes to Namor. And skills goes to Namor. Durability goes to Colossus. I'd give a slight majority to Namor.
Ult. Colossus would probably get distracted though...
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