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Assemble an X-men team to take out the JLA and their plot devices
Here's the JLA team:
Superman
Wonder Woman
Batman
Green Lantern Hal
Martian Manhunter
Flash
Plastic Man
Zatanna
All plot devices are on the table - speedblitzes, batkicks, GL-omnipotence, speed-stealing, IMPs, MM actually being good, "eid!"
Sooo....can you assemble a team of X-men to defeat the JLA?
Here are the rules:
You can pick up to 15 X-men, but if you can do it in less, bless your heart
Anybody who has ever been an X-man counts, even if it was one issue, or a team-up, and you can power them up to their classic levels, even if they didn't have that level of power at the time they were members (e.g. Juggernaut, Cable, etc.)
All X-men plot device powers (if they exist) are on the table.
Alternate X-men realities are on the table - including What Ifs
The X-men get five hours of prep
The X-men ambush the JLA
The Jean Phoenix power level is restricted to X-men #113 levels - no crazy extrapolations
The Rachel Phoenix power level is restricted to Secret Wars II level - that is, significantly below a Cosmic Cube (Beyonder)
Scarlet Witch is restricted to her Busiek power levels (equal to Thor)
The JLA is restricted to their default power levels - no sun dipping, no godwaves, no Ion, no Fernus. But any wacky plot devices that any of the characters used under their own power are OK.
The deck is stacked in favor of the X-men, but the JLA is possibly the most powerful and balanced team in comics, and when you add in plot device powers, they may well be unbeatable.
Can YOU prove otherwise?
JLAKMC members and other JLA fanboys: It's YOUR job to make use of the JLA's powers to stomp those uppity muties and those who would defend them!
The key is to be creative and wacky. Everything goes here. Except for all those rules above, lol.
Doesn't matter what they do, Flash shares his speed with Batman and Batman batkicks them all for the KO.
GL makes a bunch of green naked cheerleaders that jump up and down.
Plastic Man cracks a joke about it.
Zatanna magics his mouth shut and tells GL to stop.
They then go defeat a god in the Syndriatrica Quadrant.
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Storm Queen of Asgard and Goddess of Thunder (What if the X-men had stayed in Asgard?)
Professor X the Juggernaut (Classic powers from What if)
X-Man (Merged Professor X, Reed Richards, Bruce Banner from alternate Earth) Powers/Abilities: The X-Man had amazing telepathic powers that rivaled even Galactus'. In addition, X-man was 12 feet tall and had great physical strength probably on par with the Hulk. X-Man also apparently radiated cosmic radiation. Being a combination of three of the most brilliant minds in the world, X-Man may have also possessed superhuman intelligence.
Rachel Grey (verion stated by demigawd)
Jean Grey (same as Rachel)
Scarlet Witch (same as Rachel)
Iceman (Age of Apcalypse)
Shaman X-man (Nate Grey)
God-like Cable
Rogue (Millennial Version 2001)
Powers/Abilities: Rogue could absorb the powers and memories of those that she comes into skin-to-skin contact with. She also possessed superhuman strength, flight, and precognitive abilities due to constant contact with Destiny's clothing and possessions. The precognitive powers allowed her to see possible futures and also flashes of future events, such as tidal waves.
Rogue with powers of Thor (What if? (2nd series) #66.)
Rogue with powers of a Super Skrull (Professor W’s X-Men)
New Sun (alternate reality version of Gambit) Powers & History: Complete control of kinetic energy in all its forms. This translates into flight, explosion of matter, and manipulation of time and space, including travel to alternate realities
Lifeguard Powers & History: Lifeguard's mutation registers danger to human life in the vicinity and automatically gives her the powers necessary to save those lives, be they hers or others.
That's the best I can do.
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Carl - "No, the real point is: I don't give a damn."
Carl - "This line, here? Line of Death. You cross it, and your freedoms no longer exist. Um-kay? Have a good day."
So, I've got an army of Wendigos, two Juggernauts, Three Magnetos, one of whom will apparently be able to keep the other two alive for a short time... oh, and the In-be-f*cking-tweener! I win, bitches.
EDIT: Christ, might help to actually post my team:
Professornaut
Juggernaut at "8th day" levels
Iceman as an Omega mutant
Uber Cable
Blink with the power of the In-Betweener from What If 75
Alternate Evil Mimic who had the combined powers of Cannonball, Magneto and Professor X
AOA Magneto
616 Magneto
Xmen: the End Magneto
Wendigo Madrox from Earth X
Last edited by Khellendros on Feb 10th, 2006 at 07:32 PM
queen of asgard storm- had stronger weather powers than thor, and did actually beat him and took control of asgard
phoenix storm-when the phoenix used storms body as a vessel, storm had easily defeated all of earths heroes, and that included ALL of earths heroes
The end magneto- someone should read demi's thread about him
extreme rogue-where she had all of the powers of everyone she had ever absorbed, and could use all of them easily and use more than one at the same time, and a heads up, she absorbed multiple man before
evil mimic-he was bad-ass, and even stalmated xavier in a pshycic battle
AOA iceman-more ruthless and even more powerful than 616
i was going to choose the same version of link, but i don't want to sound like a copier, but what the hell. blink with in-betweener
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Pretty good teams...but let's throw a little battle salvo out:
How will your teams deal with Flash stealing the speed from your teams, lending superspeed to his teams, and Infinite Mass Punching everybody on your teams to death? What are your defenses against that?
Well, I've got a thousand Wendigos as cannon fodder. In the half a second it takes the JLA to superspeed punch them out, the Magnetos and Cable can all get shields up while Mimic and Professornaut start attacking the opponent's minds. Anyone with fluid in their eyes can be Iceman's ***** and watching a superspeed Batman futilely wailing on Juggernaut would be pretty funny. Basically, everyone else is just there to stall the team and protect Blink while she puts them away.
Wow ....someone actually included Wolverine and Quicksilver.
Wow!
I was actually wondering how long it would take before the clawed one (and his sparkly knuckle knives) and Magneto's slow (by DC standards)....I mean fast ....son showed up.
To me that has been the most difficult attack to account for. Not many mutants deal with speed on that level often.The key is that my team gets five hours of prep and surprises the JLA. The first target would be the Flash. Now I have to use several attacks against him (the reason for so many is that these guys are from different universes so its tricky to say how their powers would affect the Flash/Speed Force)
The first key is the ME Rogue with the Destiny's pre-cog. I would use her to get a general idea of how the JLA will begin the fight and plan accordingly (much like Deathstroke was able to predict Wally's movements from his past experience). Merged X-Man should have enough brains to think up a effective plan.
My team would take the field protected my multiple overlapping forcefields from Magneto and Professornaut (should be enough, if not there are more who can add to it).
The Flash would be the first target. So now I know generally what he is going to do I would attack him on three fronts:
First would be a telepathic telepathic/telekinetic assault. I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any imminuity to a either so either he gets reduced to the mind of a 3 year old girl or his brain explodes. During this time Iceman and New Sun both of which can reduce kinetic energy would be making sure he is slow enough to keep track of (though the psi's shouldn't need more than a bare fraction of a second given their power and prep time). Also Scarlet Witch would do some magic to possibly miss up his connection to the speed force or cause him to trip. He should be gone withing a second after the fight starts.
Flash is potentially the most dangerous character but given preptime, pre-cog info, and the above attacks my team should be able to take out Wally quickly without every leaving their forcefields. This may be moot though as the New Sun *might* be able to take on Wally by himself as he has control also over all forms of kinetic energy (but this is debatable)
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Carl - "No, the real point is: I don't give a damn."
Carl - "This line, here? Line of Death. You cross it, and your freedoms no longer exist. Um-kay? Have a good day."
Last edited by TheKahn on Feb 11th, 2006 at 02:31 AM
Good analysis Kahn.
And honestly I think it would work.
The JLA team would have a considerably hard time (in essence unwinnable) against a team of uber power-wielders like the ones you assembled (where they are basically kissing the viable max of their powers), that also has the abilities stemming from pre-cognition.
In Spetz's 'dictionary' the following is the hierachy of comic advantages:
no.3 on my list: Prep time.
Prep time will get almost anyone most of the time. With Prep time a person like Doom (who though powerful should not be taking down some of the folks he takes down) will defeat nigh anyone, and give Batman/Reed/Deathstroke/T'Challa prep and you have a serious situation. Although Doom still takes the cake for prep.
no.2 on my list: Pre-cognition.
This is greater/better than prep time!
Why?
Well, you can have all the prep time you need, but if I KNOW what you are going to do then all that prep time was for naught.
Hence precognition is definitely better than prep (unless you can prepare for my precog, which would be moot since my precog would let me know you were preparing for my precog, in which case YOUR prep would have to prepare for my precog knowing you were prepping for my precog, in which case I would know that you were .......well, you see what starts to happen)
no.1 on my list: PIS/CIS.
This is the single most powerful advantage a character can have.
It will enable the defeat of ANYONE ANYTIME (unlike the 'almost anyone' 'most' of the time abilities of the prep time aspect).
With PIS/CIS a character like Squirrel Girl can defeat Terrax and Thanos!
With PIS/CIS a character like Reed can defeat Galactus (this was not really prep as it was PIS/CIS).
Also with this Storm can take out WW, and Wolverine can beat Lobo.
Anyways, enough of Spetz's dictionary.
Back to this match .....the intention of the above dictionary was to show that the X-men team was using the third and second most powerful advantages in my list.
Consequently, the ONLY way the JLAers could defeat them would be if they were to use PIS/CIS (or, barring that, if they were allowed to also use a mix of prep and precog .....has to be a mix of the two).
Thus, without a prep/precog mix, or a PIS/CIS imbuement, the JLA will go down .....and they will go down hard.
PS: Actually one could argue that the X-men team is not only using prep and precog, BUT ALSO using PIS/CIS.
Why?
Well, after all the original poster made the X-men team have significant advantages (both numerical and power level),as well as collapsing universes to allow the multiple presence of the same character (eg more than one Magneto, three Juggernauts, etc etc), having the powers of all those characters be as high as they can be (that is, as high as they can get without the comic book literally catching fire), plus they have prep and precog, etc etc etc. The members of the 'x-men' could even be people who were briefly members, even in only one universe.
Add to this that the JLA team, although able to use their various powers, are not at the apex of their abilities (eg having Flash as one with the Speed Force where he becomes a god and is everywhere at the same time, having Superman soaking in solar energy, having MM as Fernus, having Aquaman has wielding the hunger aspect of the Water hand, having GL as the sole user of Oan energy, having Wonderwoman manifesting the godwave, having Zatanna literally flowing with eldritch and thus able to easily take out Despero, etc).
Thus, it could be argued that the X-team is actually using PIS/CIS as well ......although maybe I would leave out the 's' (since it is not really 'stupidity' ....after all it is a thread), however it is DEFINITELY plot-induced.
Thus it could be said that the X-team is using Prep, using pre-cog, and using PIS/CIS.
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