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Question Red Sun superman vs Thor

who wins this fight...


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ohhhh red son would kick his norse butt.

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Red Son had pre-crisis level powers, so I'd say Red Son.


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who wins this fight...


Thor .....loses (and gets his Uru hammer put in the 'Norse Legend' section of the Fortress of Solitude, next to Odin's missing eye and Beta Ray Bill's long-lost good looks).

RSS wins.


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Red Son had pre-crisis level powers, so I'd say Red Son.
ummmm no he didnt...he just never kept his powers in check, he just went balls out on his foes wiht his full might, but he'd still win thogh


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Re: Red Sun superman vs Thor

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who wins this fight...


Depends if Thor is in the mood to kill or not. If not then he gets his butt whipped. If he is willing to kill and is uninhibited then he probably would smack superman around as easily as he took down the Gladiator or at worst as he took down universe level powers like Galactus or Ego the living planet.

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Damn I finally Read the Red Son Comic and he was a bad ass at the end of the book smacking around Wonder Woman Green Lantern army and then those Supervillians I mean even Doomsday got taken out like nothing Red Son not Sun is a bad ass. Then Thor loses


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ego beating Ego is pure crap Ego gives galactus trouble only reason thor beat ego is cause he caused problems to thors nervous sytem kinda like a virus does to a organism nothing more he messed up ego's nervous sytem not cause he was stronger cause he messed up ego's service causing him to go into shock thats it, and i hope to goodness he didnt beat galactus but if he did it sure must have been a hungry or weak one even the SS caused him trouble when he is hungry and he only has a fraction of galactus power.

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Damn I finally Read the Red Son Comic and he was a bad ass at the end of the book smacking around Wonder Woman Green Lantern army and then those Supervillians I mean even Doomsday got taken out like nothing Red Son not Sun is a bad ass. Then Thor loses


Dont forget regular Thor (with no Odin power thanks to Dr. Strange) killed both the Thing and Hulk at the same time with absolute ease using just one arm. Whenever regular thor has been willing to kill (and hence has no inhibitions limiting his strength) he has easily physically over powered typical marvel characters such as Hulk, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, etc...

Physically, very few are stronger than an uninhibited Thor. Thanos is probably physically stronger (although Marvel hasnt always been consistent about this) and of course massive creatures like Galactus, and of course Odin himself who smacked Thanos around like a little boy (but couldnt kill him due to Thanos's immortality).

This is why Marvel has stated outright that regular Thor was the most powerful "hero" of all those who gathered to fight Thanos after Thanos had collected all the gems. I think it was the Silver Surfer who stated that he was the highest card in their hand and their one chance of taking out Thanos who had easily dealt with the Thing and the Hulk (just as a one-armed regular Thor did in more recent times).

In that series the writers did a wonderful job building the reader's hope, and things seemed to be going well as Thor entered the fray and started pummeling Thanos but just as he was being pounded into the ground, Thanos came to his senses and decided to use his infinity powers again and "cheated" turning thor into glass and then proceeding to kick the ass of every being in the universe.

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i think that supes with his speed would win anyway

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i think that supes with his speed would win anyway


Power is a combination of force and speed. Assuming that we are talking about a fixed amount of power, then more speed = less force.

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umm i dont know were you get that but i thought more speed more force, being nearly invunrable his mass alone or body would be like a projectile to go through thor like a hot knife through butter.

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umm i dont know were you get that but i thought more speed more force, being nearly invunrable his mass alone or body would be like a projectile to go through thor like a hot knife through butter.


Sorry, it doesnt work that way. Unless by going faster Superman is able to become more powerful, his ability to apply force actually decreases. E=mc<sup>2</sup> stands true even in the fictitious world of comics.

And unless youre saying Superman has tougher skin than Galactus, who almost died from a sustained god-force blast from regular Thor, DC's golden boy would be quickly turned into a fried twinkie and served for dessert in the halls of Valhalla.

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i think that moment was CIS galactus has had planets thrown at him with less effect on him and more powerful beings have blasted him then thor like tyrant and have had less effect so do i say superman is toughter then galactus no im saying that feet him hurting galactus is purely CIS and thus shouldnt be taken litarally, anyway how would thor hit him if he cant even touch him, and supes is uber strong and in this form he wont hold back.

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Power is a combination of force and speed. Assuming that we are talking about a fixed amount of power, then more speed = less force.


Erm ....wrong. You actually have that whole thing backward.

Force equals mass multiplied by acceleration, thus the more you accelerate towards a faster speed the more force you will generate.

Thus; F=MxA, meaning that even if the mass is constant, an accelerating body will produce greater force.

Thus, the faster Superman accelerates the more force he will produce.

Try again.


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Sorry, it doesnt work that way. Unless by going faster Superman is able to become more powerful, his ability to apply force actually decreases. E=mc<sup>2</sup> stands true even in the fictitious world of comics.



Wrong again!
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Actually this time it is even funnier since you put the E=MC<sup>2 formula. I wonder if you even know what it stands for.
The fact that you thought F was inverse to MxA makes me seriously doubt that.


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Dont forget regular Thor (with no Odin power thanks to Dr. Strange) killed both the Thing and Hulk at the same time with absolute ease using just one arm. Whenever regular thor has been willing to kill (and hence has no inhibitions limiting his strength) he has easily physically over powered typical marvel characters such as Hulk, Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Gladiator, etc...

Physically, very few are stronger than an uninhibited Thor. Thanos is probably physically stronger (although Marvel hasnt always been consistent about this) and of course massive creatures like Galactus, and of course Odin himself who smacked Thanos around like a little boy (but couldnt kill him due to Thanos's immortality).

This is why Marvel has stated outright that regular Thor was the most powerful "hero" of all those who gathered to fight Thanos after Thanos had collected all the gems. I think it was the Silver Surfer who stated that he was the highest card in their hand and their one chance of taking out Thanos who had easily dealt with the Thing and the Hulk (just as a one-armed regular Thor did in more recent times).

In that series the writers did a wonderful job building the reader's hope, and things seemed to be going well as Thor entered the fray and started pummeling Thanos but just as he was being pounded into the ground, Thanos came to his senses and decided to use his infinity powers again and "cheated" turning thor into glass and then proceeding to kick the ass of every being in the universe.


Thor did not beat Hulk and Thing with absolute ease, he started with both arms and both eyes at the start of that fight, Wolverine slashed thors arm and slashed his left eye, after Thor's fight with Hulk and thing, he was missing his left arm from about the elbow down, and he was scuffed up.

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i dont see thor beating red son he is like when he fought wonder women perhaps just insanly powerful and he is faster then thor thats for sure he would hit thor so fast he wouldnt know what happend he'd probably remove a few organs with out him knowing thats how fast he is he may not have full strengh at super speed which i dont think is true but even then mass and width do equal force or whatever the equation is.

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Wrong again!
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Actually this time it is even funnier since you put the E=MC<sup>2 formula. I wonder if you even know what it stands for.
The fact that you thought F was inverse to MxA makes me seriously doubt that.


Where do you get F is inverse to MxA from what I wrote?

P=FxV

If P is fixed (ie., Superman cant suddenly become more powerful than he was before) then if V increases (the speed at which he moves), his F decreases (the Force he can apply). Get it?

Lets toss in some numbers to illustrate the point.

P=100
F=X
V1=2
V2=10

If Superman's power is 100, and his velocity (V1) is 2, his force (F) = P/V1 = 100/2 = 50

If he moves faster and his velocity (V2) is 10, then his force (F) = P/V2 = 100/10 = 10

Get it?

Force is inverse to Velocity where Power is a constant. In other words, the faster he moves the less force he can apply.

If you understand electric motors then you would be able to understand that for a certain amount of power (kilowatts) when you increase the rpm your torque decreases and at lower rpm you will have more torque.

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