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Xmen training team vs the originals and some of the more populer ones

so in the a recent issue of xmen Emma Frost had a fight between the remaining students to see which ones would become X-men. Can theses new upstarts beat the originals. No prep on the xavier insitute grounds. and Jean can't just mind control them all or Phoenix them to death.

New Xmen
Hellion
Surge
Elixiar
Dust
Mercury
Rockslide
X-23
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_X-Men

Originals
Cyclops
Beast
Iceman
Archangel
Jean Grey
Wolverine
Colossus


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currently, ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKIN WAY! too skilled and powerful

iceman will be unbeatable, his skill and power outmatch each of the students

even without mind controlling or manifesting Phoenix, Jean is the most powerful/skilled telekinetic in Marvel. Before the Phoenix merger, she could control molecules, and even though she's not allowed to control minds, she can use her telepathy to enhance her team's power levels.

not sure about the rest of the team, since they're physical characters, but definitely w.o.a.d. the classic


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Are the original team at current levels or at the early years levels?


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Original Team (even just the five) wins very easily (plus the two second generation ones includding colossus who just beat the crap outa them in a training session didnt he?)


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currently, ABSOLUTELY NO FREAKIN WAY! too skilled and powerful

iceman will be unbeatable, his skill and power outmatch each of the students

even without mind controlling or manifesting Phoenix, Jean is the most powerful/skilled telekinetic in Marvel. Before the Phoenix merger, she could control molecules, and even though she's not allowed to control minds, she can use her telepathy to enhance her team's power levels.

not sure about the rest of the team, since they're physical characters, but definitely w.o.a.d. the classic

100% correct.The one thing I gotta say is that Jean shouldn't be able to control molecules.I'm not arguing that she can't because I have issues with her doing it but how does that have anything to do with telepathy or telekinesis?

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she uses telekinesis to control the molecules


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she uses telekinesis to control the molecules

I know but it still doen't make sense how she does it with telekinesis.If writers want to give people the ability to control molecules fine,if they want to give them the ability to alter reality fine,but it bugs me when people make tk and tp do these things when they never give an explanation of how they are doing it with tk.How does being psychic give you the ability to even notice anything that small?

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I know but it still doen't make sense how she does it with telekinesis.If writers want to give people the ability to control molecules fine,if they want to give them the ability to alter reality fine,but it bugs me when people make tk and tp do these things when they never give an explanation of how they are doing it with tk.How does being psychic give you the ability to even notice anything that small?


because she's not just a psychic. She is the virtual goddess of psychics. The explaination was simple. Professor X stated that telekinetic sensitivity that extreme was known as manifestation of the Phoenix. Because she is something other than human, she is creation. Because she is the sum and substance of all that is, she is one with realms of matter and thought. That is why she can control molecules.


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Because it's psychic. All of the abilities you mentioned before are just offshoots of telekinesis, like how Dani and Karma have psionic powers which are telepathic in nature, but not strictly telepathic in there applications.

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I know but it still doen't make sense how she does it with telekinesis.If writers want to give people the ability to control molecules fine,if they want to give them the ability to alter reality fine,but it bugs me when people make tk and tp do these things when they never give an explanation of how they are doing it with tk.How does being psychic give you the ability to even notice anything that small?


My friend, telepathy and telekinesis are two different things. With telekinesis (being able to move and manipulate objects with the mind), she would easily be able to move and control molecules if they have that kind of telekinetic power at their disposal.


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That still doesn't explain how she knows where the molecules are.How can she focus on something so small?And she isn't the sum and substance of all that is she's the resurection force given conciousness.

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That still doesn't explain how she knows where the molecules are.

Yes it does, its called telekinetic sensitivity. If she were to levitate a cruise ship, she could feel the footsteps of those who walked on it. Prof. X showed this when he did the experiment with silverware, and how she felt his pulse through the metal. This is called Manifestation of the Phoenix.


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How can she focus on something so small?And she isn't the sum and substance of all that is she's the resurection force given conciousness.
She focuses on molecules, and now even sub-atomic particles because her telekinesis is on an unparalleled level. And she is the sum and substance of all that is, that has been stated numerous times. She is not a "resurrection force", She is Phoenix, The Phoenix is her, this has been stated time and time again by various writers in canon. Because she is Phoenix, she is ONE with ALL MATTER and ALL FORMS OF THOUGHT AND EXPRESSION. This allows Jean's telekinesis a skill and magnitude unachievable by others because she is its Avatar. I don't like turning threads about Phoenix, believe you me, but in situations like this, so be it.

Here, courtesy of UXM, this is what I'm talking about :
In a X-Corporation office, Xavier and Jean sit across from each other with only a glass table between them. As Xavier sets a briefcase on the table, Jean explains her situation. She tells him that it's like she's seeing more of everything, but it all melts together. It's not just sight and sound, it's like all of her senses are rippling through her surroundings. Noting the briefcase, she fingers the latches. As she opens it, she asks Xavier if he thinks she is nuts. Dismissing this, Xavier tells her that the briefcase is simply an experiment he has devised using the very expensive dining set someone ordered for the staff canteen. As Xavier says this, Jean looks at the contents of the briefcase: a very expensive set of cutlery. As Jean studies the silverware, Xavier explains that when he was dying, she held his consciousness together. Even though he did lose a few memories, what she did was impossible; the storing of a human mind intact. Even for an omega mutant, Xavier says, her feat should not have been possible. Closing her eyes, Jean tells Xavier that if she can think it, it's possible. Telling Xavier she is ready, Jean begins to lift telekinetically all of the cutlery into the air. One by one, she arranges them into a circle. Even though Jean considers this a test for beginner telekinesis, Xavier believes that there could be more to it. On a hunch, Xavier reaches out and gently touches a fork floating before him, asking Jean if she can feel it. Amazed, Jean responds that she can and says that she didn't know she could do that. As little flames begin to appear in her hair, Jean exclaims that she can feel his pulse through the stainless steel.

The circle of cutlery, previously aligned in the air perfectly, begins to fly in multiple circles. Sitting before this aerial display, Xavier tells Jean that telekinetic sensitivity this extreme is known as the Manifestation of the Phoenix by neuro-mystical surgeons of the Shi'ar Space Empire. He also reminds Jean of the great trials the X-Men underwent during a previous rogue Phoenix manifestation and coldly states that no one wants anything like that to happen again. Her hair now aflame, Jean tells the professor that she knows, but it's nothing like that. She tries to voice what she sees, explaining that it's like colors on fire, burning in every direction. Tapping into Jean's psyche, Xavier replies that he feels it. It is like he is on the shores of what seems an ocean of psychic light. If he actually dared to come any further into her consciousness, all his thoughts would turn to ash. Leaning forward in his chair, Xavier looks hard at Jean and asks bluntly if he can talk to the Phoenix. With a voice not her own, Jean replies that Jean is only the house where she lives.

Suddenly, Xavier finds himself and Jean no longer in the office, but in the rubble of a city in ruins. Still speaking to Xavier, the Phoenix Entity tells him that it is born and consumed in blood and flame and sacrifice; always coming back. Referring to the carnage and destruction around them, Xavier asks Jean what is this place? Are these words from the future? What is happening? As quickly as the new reality surrounded the two, Xavier and Jean are back in the X-Corporation office. The Phoenix Entity, replying to Xavier's queries, explains that it's not a place; it's how it feels to be the last hope and to know you'll win against all the odds. It's the wing of the Phoenix touching your heart with flame. Taking all of this in, Xavier rubs his eyes. As he does so he tells Jean that his mind feels blinded and dazzled, and asks if she is all right.

And another:
Hearing someone calling out to him, the Professor turns to see the approaching Proudstar, Feral and Thornn, running at full speed. As Proudstar yells to the Professor to look out, far away, an unseen gunman centers Xavier in his rifleís scope. Calling Xavier a monster, the sniper commands that he die, and squeezes the trigger. As the deadly projectile whizzes past her, Phoenix, already using her powers to sense the intricate world around her, telekinetically grabs it with a mentally constructed talon of fire.

Examining the projectile from her mental fire-talon, Phoenix informs the Professor that it is not an ordinary bullet. Telling him to look at it, she tells him that she doesnít even think itís from this planet. It has a really weird molecular ringtone. More interested in immediate action than questions, Proudstar, Feral and Thornn leap through the window into the room of the sniper. Grabbing the sniper, completely covered in a hood and robes, Feral tells the others to help her, so they can see whoís underneath. Examining the sniperís weapon, Thornn calls Feral a treacherous cow and tells her to help herself. Asking his teammates please, to have some dignity, Proudstar removes the hood, revealing Shiíar Empress Lilandra, adorned in her battle armor. Her eyes red with rage, Lilandra struggles against her captors and screams the name of Cassandra

Having left the airport on foot, Professor Xavier stands in horror. Looking on in dumbfounding shock, he realizes that his would-be assassin is Lilandra. Worse, she thinks he is Cassandra Nova. Trying to get the Professorís attention, Phoenix points out an approaching car that, she says, has exactly the same molecular tone from the bullet. Itís not from here, she tells him. Still concentrating on the revelation of Lilandra, the Professor examines her unconscious form, which Proudstar holds in his arms.

There, that is before she completely merged with the Force. Because she is evolving so are her powers, and that is why she can do what she does to matter. I really don't want to have to pull out Here Comes Tomorrow or and Endsong.


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DAYYYYYYYYMNNNNNN that essay beats even GS big grin wooo stick out tongue

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haha, well, u know how i do, lol


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