I know this sounds cheesy and goes against what I argue about, but let's just check this out. I'm dying to know what arguments people make over this:
In a vast emptiness of space where all powers work, a battle ensues between these All - Powerful Beings:
1) Spectre at Full Power
2) Pre-Retconned Beyonder
3) Thanos with The Heart of the Universe
4) Darkseid with Anti Life Equation
5) Adam Warlock with Infinity Gauntlet
6) The Great Evil Beast
7) Urizen at full Strength
8) Lucifer Morningstar
9) Micheal
10)White Pheonix of the Crown
11) Charon, Solusandra, Danik, and Appolyan united
12) Abraxis with 1000 Ultamate Nullifiers
13)Mr. M
Too many huge powers at play here. The problem is placing the spectre and the presence at odds. Spectres out first. There have been many allusions to whether the Supreme being Thanos refers too is God or not in THE END. Beyonders feats are that he is said to have the power over all the universes together. The Phoenix is said to be the force of creation and destruction of the multiverse. I'd say Beyonder, Great Beast, or The Phoenix white crown. But if the God is the God from the references of Thanos than The Beyonder wins. Wow this is a hard determination. I guess it would come to the Phoenix, the Great Beast, or the Beyonder.
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I just hope everyone' atleast partially familiar with every character up there. I didn't mean to cause any confusion.
As for me, I think Classic Beyonder (pre retcon) would take it. Not only is he said to have power beyond the Marvel Multiverse, Stan Lee said he was to represent the writer's power to do whatever the hell they wanted to anyone they wanted.
Classic Beyonder wanted to know what "DESIRE" was....imagine a being who never had to want anything before. I bet even the Prescence and TOAA have had goals they wanted accomplished, even though they get lesser beings to do thier will.
Classic Beyonder never had a desire until he reached on of Marvel's Universe and wanted to know what it's like to want things (lol yeah huge oxymoron there)
I think someone who is meant to have the powers of the writers themselves would take this.
I'd assume that Adam with IG, Spectre, Darkseid with ALE, and the union of Solusandra, Charon, Danik and Appolyan would lose first.
Urizen at full strength, it's uncertain what his limits are. He cannot die though, so imprisonment from someone may work.
However, Classic Beyonder may be able to change the REALITY of Urizen's mythos and make it that he CAN die...depending on how powerful a full powered Urizen is.
The Great Evil Beast is extremely powerful being the Presence's evil counterpart, however I'd feel that Urizen is God's evil side (refer to my William Blake post and the Spawn mythos itself), therefore might have equal standing with Urizen at full power, and Classic Beyonder may be able to beat both (IF HE CAN VIOLATE the facts of both characters).
From what i've heard Micheal and Lucifer are below The Great Evil Beast (But correct me if I'm wrong), I think they'd totally go down against Classic Beyonder. From the comic books, Lucifer is a mass manipulator and Micheal is a steady powerhouse. However Beyonder need not manipulate anyone through persuation, only by simply will power, and he is a powerhouse in his own right. I think he takes it.
i don't think Abraxis can beat Classic Beyonder, despite his power, but with 1000 Ultamate Nullifers you think he can DELETE Classic Beyonder? What if that doesnt work on Beyonder since he's above Marvel's laws.
Could go either way
I don't know anything about Mr. M, nor much about White Pheonix of the Crown. Someone else would have to argue on thier behalfs.
Darksied with ALE might be able to FORCE Classic Beyonder under his will, except that ALE is a multiversal power, while Classic Beyonder was said to have the power of many many many many multiverses.
I count Darksied out.
Thanos with HOTU....is it true that he became = TOAA, or is that horse BS ? Would you guys say that Thanos reached the highest in heiraarchy when he became one with the HOTU ?
Either way I think that Classic Beyonder is similiar to TOAA in terms of sheer power.
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Me.
I'm serious.
I would head over to the place of work of whichever comic artist wrote such a crappy situation, and burn their drawings of the various characters, and the story in general, thereby winning by default.
I'd have to go with the Heart Of The Universe... Thanos b!tchslapped every single cosmic & magical entity in Marvel with that without even breaking a sweat
I'd have to go with the Heart Of The Universe... Thanos b!tchslapped every single cosmic & magical entity in Marvel with that without even breaking a sweat
Thanks for you input man. Seriously.
I think some debators are disregarding this thread, because they feel it is impossible to answer when it's not.
I can't argue against you until I know more about the HOTU...im trying to find out more about it, but when i YAHOO and GOOGLE HOTU, it takes me directly to this website lol
Basically whoever holds the HOTU has the power of God... they can do wahtever they want whenever they want.... it's like the Infinity Gauntlet times one million... Thanos defeated every powerful being in Marvel (including Galactus, Eternity, Infinity and the Living Tribunal) then uncreated the entire Universe just by thinking about it
If Thanos w HOTU is SUPREMECY personified, then he'd take it. If it is Infinity Gauntlet TIMES Infinity, then yeah its totally unstoppable.
I actually do favor Thanos, gotta admit, but here's what goes against him in my opinion:
1) Some debators claim that HOTU isn't that much more powerful than IG, that it only gives Thanos internal power over the universe, while IG gave external power...meaning HOTU made Thanos ONE with everything in the universe.
2) Is HOTU multiversal in nature, or just universal? LOL
3) Even if he recreated the entire MU with a thought, its only TWICE as impressive as when he destroyed HALF the MU with a snap of his fingers in IG.
Let's just say for arguments sake that Thanos w HOTU is like a million x more powerul than himself with IG, he would probably be equal to Classic Beyonder. Classic Beyonder was said to have had the power of many many multiverses...we don't even know whose more powerful between Classic Beyonder and TOAA for sure.
There is also another factor when you think of the IG. Though it did destroy half of universes population, with a gesture that process was reversed. I am not sure reguarding the ALE. For a supposed multiversal power, its very one dimensional. The situation is even more of a toss up now that the crisis ended the multiverse. The power of across the multiverse may not even be mentioned and therefore be left to the interpretation of the reader. The HOTU has the same problem. Thanos makes many allusions to himself usurping the power of the almighty, yet that power seems limited to others if it only affects on a universal scale. In that case, the almighty appears weaker than the Pre retcon beyonder. The Spectre is another issue regarding his supposed divinity granted by God. If thanos was the almighty then wouldn't the spectre be limited to the whim of Thanos. This arguement is tough considering many of these wins are under the interpretation of the reader. If I had to make a choice, I would take the Beyonder since his powers seemed only limited by the writers.
There is a difference between killing half the population of the universe and destroying the entire universe to where theres nothing left, with a single thought. But I really don't see how you can compare the powers of beings like Thanos with HOTU, Classic Beyonder, Spectre etc.
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