I did a search and I actually did see a few threads of this fight, but unfortunately they all had 1 or 2 posts at the most and did not really go anywhere. So, hopefully, this one will turn out better.
Actually Orion would beat superman with in of his life not holding back, Orion with the astro force will rock superman ass. Orion smarter, better fighter, stronger with out motherbox which checks his true strength and rage. Superman has the writers on his side, even superman beating a Avatar of Darkseid is bad writing.
Orion in his true form would step on most people. He absolutely wrecked a galaxy sized planet in Apokolips. Most of the top levels New Gods like Orion and Lightray should have it all over normal top tier heros. Too bad they've become a race of jobbers.
Orion at his full power would beat a well written Darkseid. Orion at his full potential, full control of the Astro Force and with greater access to it, would be above most in DCU.
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orion rarely jobs. and yes, unlike almost any other hero in the dcu, orion has the raw power to take out supes. problem is if supes takes out his glider, orion loses some control of the af and i don't believe he can fly without it. that would give supes an insurmountable advantage, imo. someone might also bring up t-vo. and i'm not sure how orion would fare against that power.
Wow talk about a good fight. I remember they fought in Superman MOT #13. Orion blasted Supes with the AF and it knocked Supes halfway across Earth. Then Superman punched Orion from India to China.
Supes was getting the better of him in that fight.
I say Supes wins 6/10.
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he does indeed have better showings. like having crazy combat skills, and crazy fighting speeds. he's also been shown to be at least equal physically to darkseid and beat him in fair, 1on1 combat. not many can make that claim.
Orion can battle superman head up without the harness, the harness cotrolns the flow of the Astro -Force with out it, it's raw astro force that will hit superman. Orion without mother box, will walk all over superman, orion in strenght will be like warrior madness thor all abilities increase. Orion hands down is one of the few beings that can beat Superman the others Black Adam, Darkseid, Wonder Woman,Captain Marvel.
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except he's stronger, better healer, and better fighter. and full potential AF is capable of a lot more than the Odin Force and Godblast. Orion needs to get some mastery over it is all.
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1. without the harness, orion loses control of the astroforce. it's not 'more raw' or more powerful. he has a harder time focusing it is all.
2. without motherbox, he loses a lot of knowledge. he was without motherbox in his series for a while (and it was eventaully replaced by an apokolips father box) but he was not stronger, or uncontrollable. i used to believe the same thing -- he would be wild and mad without it -- that didn't seem to be the case at all. not sure where that rumor actually started.
3. there is nothing hands down about beating supes. without the harness orion would be at a severe disadvantage, though it is unlikely in the extreme that even supes could damage the harness. it was said by orion to be an extension of the source itself, and its origins were a mystery to even the new gods. orion is not able to fly without the harness however, though he retains his some of his superspeed. not sure of the extent of his speed while on the ground though, but his agility is extremely high as well.
orion could beat supes if written correctly. if written correctly, he can beat almost anyone.
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and yes, unlike almost any other hero in the dcu, orion has the raw power to take out supes. problem is if supes takes out his glider, orion loses some control of the af and i don't believe he can fly without it. that would give supes an insurmountable advantage, imo. someone might also bring up t-vo. and i'm not sure how orion would fare against that power.
