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If the fight is on the astral plane then I would have to give it to Jean because she has more experience in this type of battle, though Emma is downright vicious and more creative with her powers.
I’m not sure who is doing the physical fight but that would be Emma all the way and I think Rachel could take Cuckoos physically and mentally if she is ticked off enough.
I hate to do this, because Emma is my favourite character but since Jean and the Phoenix are one in the same, this is more of a butcherin' then a battle.
If they fought in a comic I would argue if done right Emma does have a chance of winning. However this forum decides battles on feats and Emma's recent telepathic feats are pathetic for a first order telepath.(Sucks that they watered down her telepathy) Jean on the other hand, well her Omega Potential + 15 years training in the future advantage makes her win this match.
I don't like Rachel that much, but I would think Five Cuckoos stomp Rachel on the Astral Plane.
In the Physical Fight, I'm not sure(No powers right?), I would be inclined to say Emma because she's viscous however her most recent feat in a physical fight was in New X-Men #27. And she got taken down by a human women while in her diamond form.(She's suppose to have augemented strength in this form. I think she's a level 5 in the Marvel Handbook) The women then used a vibranium knife to cut through Emma's diamond form and blood gushed out. So basically they watered down that power too because before her whole body turned to diamond and nothing could physically harm her.(Except for the Diamond Bullet in the Forehead due to the flaw Mrs Nova made)
As for best personality and hottest, it's got to be Emma.
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Phoenix potential or not Emma is not of par with Jean telepathically, like when she evicted her from her body in order to save her own life during the sentinel attack on the HellFire Club. Emma being vicious means nothing, she is just more likely to have next to no restraint when using her powers on non-telepaths, this is a telepathic battle, Jean will not hold back, plus she can't stand the *****. As far as fighting, I've seen Emma deck Banshee (in his civvies) and I've seen Jean deck a Shockwave Rider of the neo (fully armored). If emma gets to use her diamond form then Jean should be able to use her telekinesis if only to augment her strength and generated a skin tight tk shield to level the playing field.
The Cuckoos are even less experienced in the use of telepathic ability than Rachel, don't get me wrong they are good, but she has a lot more practice and has also learned a trick or two from their mentor. Even with their supermind they can't produce the kind of raw power Rachel can, unless they are on kick and connect to Cerebra at the same time.
Jean is hotter, her beauty is natural Emma is a bleach blond ex-troll face who has had $20,000 worth of surgery on her nose alone.
Actually didn't those events happen after Jean realised part of her Phoenix Potential? Meaning if this fight is Jean pre-realisation then it'd be Emma vs inexperienced Jean Grey.
i think this is up until the events of New X-Men/Endsong, up until then Jean was a skilled fighter, physically and astrally. When she had just tp, she needed to learn to fight, and did so pretty well, and shes an even better astral fighter
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Those events where after the Phoenix saga, and I agree totally that there is no such thing as Jean without Phoenix, and even before the Phoenix saga that was established in classica xmen. Before the Phoenix saga Jean's telepathy had just resurfaced and Xaiver had been training her to control telepathy even when he had them locked up. Her telekinesis developed after she had her first telepathic experience, she didn't become telekinetic until she was 13, she was 11 when her telepathy surfaced and Xavier was teaching her to cope with telepathy first.
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True, but to give some credit to Emma here, Jean didn't evict her mind from her body. Emma forced herself into a Psychic Coma once the Sentinels attacked that's how she saved herself and managed to survive lingering between life and death. Therefore Jean basically possesed a lifeless body. The telekinesis was a bit bizzare though...I don't get how Jean transfered her genes over to Emma, unless Jean somehow tapped into Emma's latent abilities. In Generation X aswell I think Emma uses TK, quite strange.
I think Emma would have been able to take that Jean version aswell in a Astral Battle. She was a beast went it came to telepathy in those times.(Sucks that they watered down her powers).
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Emma should also be given credit for managing to cloak her Hellions minds from Magneto and Xavier with Cerebro.(She mentioned a third part along with those other two, can't remember the organisation)
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Jean Grey could never satisfy her husband like Jean did. For heaven's sake, I think Scott has had more sex with Emma in the past year than he has with Jean during their entire marriage.
Every X-Men comic has at least one panel of them in a post-coitus position in bed...
Jean with her Realisation of her Phoenix Potential will win this.
Hypothetically speaking if Jean doesn't have the Phoenix Force, then Jean doesn't exist as the Force is her. Meaning Emma will win by default due to that Jean's lack of feats.
Secondly if I do happen to turn a blind eye to that tiny error and this time try and imagine a Jean without the PF then that would mean Jean doesn't have her Phoenix Potential either, meaning her Omega Potential goes out the window due to it being the same thing. Which means that Jean will be much, much weaker then Xavier and much weaker then Emma Frost. So "Bush League Telepath" Emma Frost would win.(Nova called her a Bush League Telepath, it was an insult...I mean keeping cloaking her Hellions minds from an Xavier with Cerebro is a pretty impressive feat. A Psychic Coma is also another impressive feat. Causing pain to Jean Grey another impressive feat. Emma's creativity with her abilities through Electronics and Brain functions are also more impressive feats. The Automatic psychic cloaking device she taught to Rachel, even more impressive. Dealing with Rachel who had more power even more impressive. Of cause she's not on Xavier or Nova's level but she's no Bush League Telepath either. Also Emma had a Bloom for a few weeks to teach her how to use her powers, Jean had Xavier for years. Credit should go to all those Telepaths who taught themselves the art of telepathy.)
Thirdly if we are talking about the Jean from those scans I posted above which is before she realised her potential , then I believe Emma will take it as the scans speak for themselves.(Psychic Blacklash??)
So Mrs "Bush League Telepath" does have a very good chance against a hypothetical Jean Grey without her Phoenix Potential or a Jean Grey Pre-Realisation of her Potential.
On a side note Omega Potential just means infinite potential. Just because a mutant is Omega it doesn't automatically mean that they could beat an Alpha. In Jean Grey's case though, her experience would allow her to beat most if not all Alpha's.
Personally I don't think that Jean was Xavier's telepathic equal without the Phoenix force. I always thought Xavier was the most powerful telepath, until the Phoenix came along..............
Well since she had Omega potential yes she was, but until she realised that potential ie the PF, then Xavier was the most powerful telepath on the planet.
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Well that's the thing...Jean before she realized her Phoenix potential(Morrisons Jean) was never on par with Xavier...heck she wasn't even on par with Frost or Exodus...so saying she was more powerful then Xavier then is kind of stretching....also in her New X-Men run she was taken out by Nova twice...of course then she hadn't realized her potential fully...however after she became the Phoenix... she should have become a more powerful Psi then Xavier etc...
Remember that Omega Potential doesn't equal an instant win..especially when the potential was never realized...
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Emma isn’t taking Jean in any form. I’m not sure why this perception of Jean being weak without being Phoenix persists, or where it arose, but it’s not accurate. Perhaps it’s because her non-Phoenix feats aren’t quite as flashy, but they’re still good none the less. She’s gotten through Magneto’s helmet at least once, and Juggernaut’s at least twice (the first time being before the end of the first run of the X-Men). She’s dragged beings immune to TP to the astral plane, as well as extra-dimensional entities like D’Spayre, searched the world with her TP for Xavier without Cerebra, separating Scott and Apocalypse…this is some of what I can think of off the top of my head. And it’s all non-Phoenix in anything other than name.
Emma’s skilled, no doubt, but Jean is no Rachel. She’s got more power than Emma, and the skill to back it up. And while we’re mentioning Nova, Jean and Emma, let us not forget the Emma couldn’t make it to Charles’ psyche while Jean did. Let’s also not forget that Jean also stored and splintered Xavier’s mind in the same arc.
If it were just about any other MU telepath, I’d be willing to give Emma a virtually unconditional win. When written well she can be downright frightening. Against Jean or Xavier, she’s going down.
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Jun 16th, 2006 03:01 PM
I still say Emma is way hotter then that sacred corpse.
