Last seen version of Beyonder.. Post Retcon was still multiversal level.. but below LT... and since full powered Spectre is around LT level Spectre obviously takes it.
Now. Pre-Retcon.....
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pre-retcon....i'd give the edge to the Beyonder...although I don't believe it would be a curbstomp. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. I think pre-retcon Beyonder may take it.
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The anti monitor was powerful enough to collapse billions of universes. Only the spectre had the power to stop him. So yeah, The spectre when backed by the presence, is much more powerful than any version of the beyonder. The anti-monitor killed Billions of Universes. and the spectre stopped him in his tracks.
sure. which means he collapsed the DC multiverse.. not its Megaverse which would include its subsidaries such as wildstorm...
Also Antimonitor was opposed by Spectre with the full backing of all magic in DC... Antimontior had to absorb his whole dimension to prevent getting defeated...
Beyonder never fought LT. LT was at home. His legs crossed and arms huddled over himself as he wet his pants.
Beyonder is the power of millions of multiverses...
Antimonitor was lucky to beat 1 multiverse.
The most powerful entities in DC gave Antimonitor a run for his money.
Noone that attempted to defeat Beyonder could do it. And the fights that happened wrecked the multiverse.
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"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."
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So let's say the presence tells the spectre that the beyonder is in the dc universe messing with stuff. Put him out. You have my full wrath. You really honestly think that the beyonder is going to win? Cuz basically ur saying that the beyonder would be above the presence. Who really is the one above all as well. At least that is my interpretation. That basically GOD. So ur saying that God gives the sprectre his wrath to destroy the beyonder, and he can't do it? You tread on blasphemy.
nope. beyonder wins. As long as its the presence of DC multiverse... and not DC megaverse... notice the difference.
cause one would give spectre the power of the multiverse...
the other the megaverse...
multiverse<beyonder<megaverse
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Now you have just gotten rediculous. There are beings in Dc that would eat the beyonder for breakfast. Like The ale entity. And he is still under the power of the presence. YOu guys make me sick. You act as if someone from marvel can go into the dc universe and write thier own rules. as long as the beyonder is a marvel character, he can't use marvel law to win a fight against another dc abstract. you have to go by the description of that character. if the presence is above everything that is dc, what makes the beyonder above his power? NOTHING but marvel fan head bull shit.
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he's a marvel property and as such, entering the dcu, he would be subject to the multiversal-mega dc versal presense. and the presense uses the spectre for his wrath. If that were the case, the ale would be unleashed upon the beyonder by the spectre and be done with it. the ale is beyond the dc universe. and it's description is much more powerful than the beyonders.
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