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You can't **** with Thanos. Nobody this side of Galactus beats him outright. You can bring up the tyrant fight, but Thanos, with a little help, was holding his own. Against a guy who used to on par with Galactus, and even depowered, whupped Surfer and a large crowd of heroes. Thanos is insanely powerful, maybe stronger than pretty much anyone on earth. Even RK Thor would have some trouble. Though, he might be able to win. I'm not up on RK's feats.
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Doomsday can go blow for blow with Thanos and get a majority.
A very angry Hulk Can, Champion, Superboy Prime Outright Kills thanos in hand to hand if he wishes, Despero, Darkseid, Full Confindence Gladiator, Orion with NO Mother Box, infinity Man, Composite Man, all fit the bill of beings who can or do exceed thanos is strength. I can also note that A sun dipped Superman can Hang and thanos would have a hard time hand to hand with General Eiling as well.
Disagree on nearly every count. I know of at least 3 on that list Thanos has actually beaten in comics. Darkseid, Hulk (easily), Champion (who was only stronger when he had the Power Gem).
...people forget that half the time when Thanos is punking the sh*t out of heralds and such, he doesn;t use his energy powers at all...it's just the pimp hand and a little elbow grease.
An average Eternal start off lifting 15 tons. Immune to poison, disease, and aging, almost impossible to kill. Extreme control over their bodies, capable of harnessing cosmic energy and infusing it through their bodies, healing internal wounds, etc..
So even blasting their bodies into vapor, they can return.
All eternals can:
Project damaging blasts and/or blinding flashes of energy from their eyes and hands.
Fly (average top speed 600 mph) and levitate others.
Read minds.
Generate illusions.
Teleport vast distances, though doing so leaves most Eternals momentarily fatigued or dazed.
Transmute objects, altering both their shape and composition. This ability is very taxing to most Eternals.
Now that we know the baseline Eternal (average citizen), let's take a look at how Thanos was, before his first death:
* He is a mutant. Picture how tough Colossus is compared to a regular human, this is how Thanos is to a regular Eternal in terms of strength and durability.
* He took his already incredible strength and durability, and enhanced it even further using technology.
Before he died and was reborn, he easily took out both Thor and the Thing at the same time, and this is classic Thor, the one that drove off Galactus with his godblast. The only way he was temporarily defeated was that he was turned to stone.
His latest incarnation has had one, possibly two upgrades. First upgrade was being resurrected by Death; Death further enhanced his existing power and stripped away the technological implants (he grew in strength enough that they were no longer necessary) so that he could accomplish a very important mission, which was to extinguish half the population in the universe. Death is the one that granted him this newfound power. Thanos himself didn't know the full extent to which he had become boosted, which is one of the reasons that he sought to test himself against the likes of Odin and Tyrant.
His second possible upgrade (unverified) was when his body was destroyed when he took control of the Heart of the Infinite (THOTU as some call it). He later recreated his body using infinite power; he could have granted himself further strength and durability, nobody knows for certain.
Now these are all just baseline upgrades. Let's not forget the fact that he originally could amp up his strength and durability using cosmic energies, part of his inheritance as an Eternal, and let's not forget that he was a mutant Eternal on top of that, and was probably the top energy manipulator amongst the Eternals. To top that off, he also has control of another source of energy, seemingly granted to him from Death herself, as many times people can see that mistress Death appears to have fueled his strength even further (for example Aegis and Tenebrous mention Death as his master and can see her energies around him).
So you have the existing powerhouse body that was already way above baseline class 100, upgraded through technology, then upgraded yet again, then possibly upgraded again after that, augmentable with cosmic energy (which he possesses even greater control over than Silver Surfer). That is why they say that his strength is potentially limitless or enhanced to an unknown degree because there is no accurate measurement for the level of strength that he possesses.
Also:
"if he ( Peter David ) thought Thanos was on a physical strength level higher than Hulk at any time he was writing (meaning various incarnations)."
David's reply was simple, answering: "Yeah, probably. Thanos is kind of in his own weight class."
So basically Thanos when he amps himself is stronger than any version of the Hulk that has ever been shown during Peter David's writing.
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You actually think Thanos can Punk Infinity Man who is stronger than Superman? By Far. Darkeseid is far Superior to Superman as well. And Champion doesn't need the PG to be superior in strength. Also Super boy prime would make thanos his *****. Despero has beaten the entire league and you disagree? My god what is this? Thanos twilight zone?
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And there is an accurate measurement for those beings that I named? How do we automatically put Thanos over any of the beings I named when they have all shown to be superior to top tiers? Multiple ones at that? I do sense something else behind thanos' absolute certainty of strength here. Favoritism. When someone shows me the Hulks upper limit, Superman's Absolute Sundipped Upperlimit, DS's upperlimit, Despero's upperlimit, SUperboy primes upperlimit, and anyone else i mentioned, Than I'll be quiet about it. Until then, I'm just going to assume every one thinks Thanos is As strong as Precrisis SUperman becuz that is sure as hell what it seems like.
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Aside from Planet Pushing, what did Superboy Prime do to put him past the top tier? Kal-L and Superman didn't have much of a hard time with pushing him through a sun.
Either way, Thanos physically beats down people that are near impervious to damage all the time. Though it's hard to gauge his strength because he only has fighting feats, it's obvious to see the guy is clearly above the top tier.
Quoted for Truth. When you can trade blows with Warrior Madness Thor (said to be ten times his normal strength) further enhanced with the Power Gem, for fun, then that clearly puts him leagues ahead of the top tier heroes.
Thor already has planet busting Strength, beyond busting up planets, what else can you really do for strength feats?
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Planet Pushing? How about Planet Pushing so fast that No one knew the planets had moved. We aren't talking about struggling to move a planet. We are talking about moving planets around vast distances with ease. We are also talking about a being who punches so hard, that he messes with the matrix of time and retcons time itself. But it's what ever. People will jock thanos who has NO lifting feats. It's just rediculous. And then put him above other above top tiers for no reason. There is no reason Thanos should be rated above Despero, InfinityMan, Psycho Hulk, Champion, Full Confidence Gladiator , or a Well sun amped Superman. It's impossible to even speculate. But people just give thanos the credit. Based on what, a couple fights he's had. And some other things he's done with "little" help.
Could you please calm down and just answer the question? There's no need to get in such a fuss.
The bigger feats he has are planet pushing, and breaking out of the Phantom Zone, which would put him around the levels of Majestros/Gladiator/Doomsday, or somewhere in that area.
Right. And even team-wreckers like Despero...we have to remember that Thanos is a team wrecker too. Hell, he's a planet-wrecker under good circumstances. So there really shouldn't be any herald-types, ever, if the conversation with Thanos...even in terms of just pure strength.
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I dont' ever remember it saying Thor was ten times stronger in his madness mode. You dont' have to be as strong as someone to trade blows with them if you are tuffer than them. I.E. The Juggernaut can pretty much trade blows with anyone in his classic form becuz he was tuff as shit. He could be low class 100 and trade blows with someone. THanos is just tough as shit. All of this stuff is based on speculation. Thor is "said" to be ten times stronger. ( He wasn't in his right mind fighting like a warrior that is for sure, he was MAD), Thor was using the PG ( and in his madness mode, he was using it correctly? How is this possible when Champion using the PG subconciously almost scared the shit out of thanos), come on now.
You are missing the point. Thanos doesn't need strength feats. Strength feats like lifting a mountain would be pointless to him. He is a mastermind, and should be treated as such, not like some weight lifting idiot. Do you see Dr. Doom bench pressing to test out his latest power armor? No, of course not. Do you see Darkseid curling neutron stars? No you do not. Quit treating Thanos like a simple brick, that is not meant to be how he is portrayed. When he fights, he fights with a reason, not just some mindless idiot brick. He is always out to accomplish something, and always has backup plans worked out ahead of time. Just because there is no comic where he lifted x quintillion tons (without the floor denting, no less!), doesn't mean that he lacks the strength to do so, it just means that isn't how he should be portrayed.
When he fights with people he likes to let them think they have a chance, like when he let captain america punch him in the face. He could have easily killed captain america with but a thought, but instead he wanted to taunt him. It's just how his style is.
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LOL, First of all, Gladiator, Doomsday, or Majestros can all be classified as More than Top tier on thier best. Glads with full confidence, doomsday as H/P, and majestros are all over the top heavy hitters in the strength dep. And you make it as if planet pushing is an every day feat. Especially strong enough to push them with EASE. SBP also Broke thru the will power of 30 gl's. You think Thanos coudl do that? this is what I mean. it is the thanos twilight zone.
The Power Gem is tapped into subconsciously automatically by it's owner. WM Thor was tapping into it because the more amped up your emotions get while having the power gem, the more amped up your strength and durability get, and WM wasn't holding back at all like he normally does. He was tapping into it a great deal.
Actually, it is. Majestros and Gladiator have both done it pretty casually. Hell, I think Majestros rearranged an entire solar system by himself.
You should already know the answer to the question when it comes to Thanos. Also, I don't remember SBP busting 30 GL's. He only killed about five or so while they were just trying to restrain him.
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I know all of this. DS requires even less strength feats and doesn't even hand to hand much. The point is, Where is the evidence that Thanos is Precrisis superman lvl in strength. Cuz that is basically what it amounts to.
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