I wouldn't say it's correct to say it "doesn't work" per se. De-evolution didn't work but hercules was "evolved" (forward) out of existence in that same saga. I don't recall how herc got back though.
the olympians likely started as olympians, that's why they couldn't be "de-evolved" into anything.
Apocalypse also managed to stalemate the evolutionary, and an enraged warlock actually killed him once, so I'd say the galactus feat is more the exception than the rule.
it means that if apocalypse can stalemate you...the same apocalypse that was killed by cyclops, mind you...you can't be that high up on the totem pole.
I'm aware it was with the soul gem. Thanos has defeated infinity gem wielders before including warlock.
And killed and reconstituted is still a loss.
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This was at the end of the run where the original members of the X men still comprised X-factor. the same issue where baby nathan summers was sent into the future to become Cable.
Apocalypse was on the moon at full power, fighting both the entire team of X factor AND the inhumans.
Cyclops destroyed Apocalypse's original body on his own, with no help, with a full power optic blast. Apocalypse didn't show up again until years later in X-cutioners song in a regeneration chamber, STILL massively weakened from his original form.
your first scan is from the second "cyclops and phoenix" saga- IIRC cyclops was incarnated into a different, weaker body for those.
your second I'm not too sure of, but judging by cyclops' uniform he's in Xmen- meaning this takes place sometime after he destroyed apocalypse on the moon, as well as after X-cutioners song when he was left for dead on the moon AGAIN.
Apocalypse is in a different body by then. it's not his original. The one he fought the evolutionary with, and the one cyclops defeated in X factor were the same one.
also interesting to note is that when cyke destroyed apocalypse, his visor was completely off, and his optic blast was actually yellow. I don't think that's happened since, but I think it the artist meant to imply that this particular blast was FAR more powerful than what he usually puts out.
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This is something I greatly disagree with. Some jackass thought it was a good idea to make Apoc a body snatcher. Thus, forcing him to constantly switch bodies and ****ing up his powers. One of the reasons I despise current Apoc.
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re: your first question: absolutely. it was established in the first cyclops and phoenix miniseries that the mother askani couldn't literally bring their original bodies through time, so it instead transferred their conciousness through time into close approximations that were weaker than the originals.
re: your second question- sometime after apocalypse died on the moon during X-cutioners song and the original cyclops and phoenix miniseries, it was established that apocalypse had begun using "host" bodies that his powers would eventually burn out. This was the point of "the twelve"- to use the powers of those twelve mutants to create a new host body capable of holding his powers.
each body does not have equivalent stats- it's established that either the body he gained through "the twelve" or the body provided by the cable's clone (stryfe) would have given him greater abilities.
The twelve saga isn't PIS- they'd been building up to it for at least a decade. It's not a GOOD story, but what happened (apocalypse using host bodies, manipulating everyone to create a new host body) had been building up for quite some time. It was established that was the reason he infected baby nathan summers in the first place.
apoc isn't literally "an old guy in a suit." he's been retconned into a "power" or conciousness (like, say..the phoenix force, or the enigma force, but much less powerful) that "posesses" a body to make use of. he can take any form he likes, and it's been shown in the future that the true form of different host bodies look very different from each other.
Read the original cyclops and phoenix saga...this is where this nonsense started, I think.
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Feb 18th, 2007 12:12 AM
Cyclops beating Apoc on the moon was such garbage..... 
