I'd have to give it to Stardust for now...I've never been clear on exactly how durable Firestorm really is.
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He's a fire Avatar. He doesn't need Durability. They are both pretty intangible. They would basically have to go at it with energy attacks. For THis I give it to the universes Fire Avatar who happens to have one of the world's greatest minds at the helm. ANd not an ass hole. Not today. I went shopping. in a good mood.
He took on one of the highest portrayals of a top tier in recent memory, and looked good pretty much the whole time.
He also took and briefly held back the energies of Galactus, but when overpowered and seemingly destroyed, he merely forced himself back together and then flew at lightspeed under his own power, and used the PC to kick past it across the galaxy.
I don't see much of anything Firestorm is gonna do to win the second battle.
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We are talking about Molecule Man light here. Fire Storm Elemental is UBER. I dont' see what Stardust is going to do to the Universal Fire Elemental. The Earth Bound Fire Elemental was Near Sky Father LVL. Puts that into perspective for you.
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Firestorm Elemental Was able to fight The Brimstone On the Surface of the sun. The Brimstone is a herald lvl beast or beyond. Firestorm Elemental Was able to beat a rogue African God. He also nearly Destroyed a planet just by being there.
Martian Manhunter was able to do nice against Brimstone too, even though he was the physical manifestation of his weakness.
Not taking anything away from Brimstone, but he wasn't an above the top tier.
And the fight on the sun was nice, but it wasn't something that would separate him from say, Surfer or GL.
And what's really telling, is that in the same story where BRB fought Stardust, BRB was sleeping in the center of a sun, but couldn't touch Stardust in his blue form.
Stardust also destroyed a planet by slamming a cosmic god through it.
He also hurt the same cosmic god, whereas blows from BRB were laughed at.
BTW, i was joking when i said Stardust walks all over him. I do think he can likely take both wins, but i doubt it'd be a cakewalk.
And i was also joking when i said that nothing anyone else can say will change my mind.
I've seen you say that in regards to Odin taking a majority from Darkseid, and i wanted you to see how ridiculous it sounds.
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LOL. Until Odin achieves Universal Dominion as MOrdru had, or becomes an abstract as the Time Trapper, Or has the power of 4 skyfathers and a God, then it is my own personal opinion that DS does indeed beat Odin. I put DS a lil higher than Full power tyrant but lower than Full power Galactus. Odin to me is just below Tyrant.