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LatinoStallion
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The GodWave vs The Anti Life Equation

Which is more powerful ?

Let's pit Wondorwoman with full access to Godwave VS Darksied with full access to ALE

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couldn't darkseid just kill everybody with the ALE? or is there a limit?

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Bada-bump!

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THe ALE is a soul/mental thing. The Godwave is a physical/reality Thing.

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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe ALE is a soul/mental thing.

That all depends on which ALE we're talking about...

It has been a way to control souls in the past...

But more times then not, DS has referred to it as a way to destroy/recreate existence in his own image.

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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Galan007
That all depends on which ALE we're talking about...

It has been a way to control souls in the past...

But more times then not, DS has referred to it as a way to destroy/recreate existence in his own image.

True. And that ALE entity thing hasn't been retconned out either. It was like more powerful than Even Mxy yet dumb as the Absorbing man. And then Mxy even made reference that the ALE was him and Batmite in one. The ALE seems to be as powerful as the Godwave but operating on a more fine tuned level.

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Galan007
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The ALE seems to be as powerful as the Godwave but operating on a more fine tuned level.

Yeah, again that all depends.

The true GW is a burst of energy from the Source itself.

The first GW was responsible for the death of the old gods, and the creation of the new gods. It is also responsible for the creation of every other super-powered hero in existence.

From what I've seen, the ALE hasn't done anything quite like that.

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Jun 7th, 2007 02:36 PM

LatinoStallion
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maybe we dont have enough info on the ALE, because DC can't decide how they actually want to define it.

Would you say the ALE is greater than the Source ? now THAT is a far push....

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Galan007
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Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Would you say the ALE is greater than the Source ?

Not any version of the ALE we've seen, [Darkseid seems to define it as any type of power that can allow him to control the Universe], so what exactly the "true" ALE may be is sketchy at best.

But,

Here's what the original GW accomplished:

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Pretty impressive imo.

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Jun 7th, 2007 03:29 PM

Galan007
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Originally posted by Goddess Kali
maybe we dont have enough info on the ALE, because DC can't decide how they actually want to define it.

Pretty much.

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Jun 7th, 2007 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Galan007
Pretty much.

Has the ALE entity been retconned?

Or is it another form of the Equation?

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Galan007
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Has the ALE entity been retconned?

You'll probably hear different views on that.

I believe it has, one of the reasons being that DS has never mentioned the entity since "cosmic odyssey".

Plus, the equation has taken many forms since then...

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Originally posted by Mr Master
Or is it another form of the Equation?

It's possible I guess.

But I highly doubt it.

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Mr Master
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Originally posted by Galan007
You'll hear different views on that.

I believe it has, one of the reasons being that DS has never mentioned the entity since "cosmic odyssey".

Plus, the ALE has taken many forms since then...

We should find out, it would give us atleast some substance with which to debate the ALE.

Also, it's possible Darkseid mentioned it in some Comic you haven't seen.

To this day, I get surprised with the info I find in obscure titles, or appearances that are out of the norm by characters (like perhaps a Darkseid) in a uncommon book. (somewhere you wouldn't expect)

I was flipping through Ms Marvel (the New series) all of a sudden, I bump into Carol stating that Wanda Warped "All of Reality" ...

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This was Way after HOM was finished.

I already knew that ofcourse, but who would've known that piece of Info was there, it strengthens my argument when proving Wanda did in fact Warp the 616 Universe.

You might be able to find a List of appearances by Darkseid, I've found many for Marvel.

I don't know where to look for DC info.

Is there even a DC version of the Marvel Handbooks?

Is Who's Who still being published?

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Galan007
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Not to mention that at the end of "cosmic odyssey" DS retained a small piece of pure Anti-Life:

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[A piece that DS has never used].

imo,

It was retconned...

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Mr Master
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Not to mention that at the end of "cosmic odyssey" DS retained a small piece of pure Anti-Life:

[A piece that to this day, DS has never used].

It was probably useless in a grand scale.

The Aspects which were bigger than that piece, pure and sentient were defeated pretty easily.

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Galan007
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Originally posted by Mr Master
It was probably useless in a grand scale.

It may have been, but we don't know for sure because DS has never used it...

But even IF that arc wasn't retconned, we know by now that the ALEntity [from cosmic odyssey], was not the solution to the ALEquation.

As I said before, DS has deemed a few other things the ALE since then...

This, being the best solution so far imo:

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DS was able to transform the new gods into a group of homeless people with this same equation as well...

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Symmetric Chaos
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Originally posted by Galan007
It may have been, but we don't know for sure because DS has never used it...

But even IF that arc wasn't retconned, we know by now that the ALEntity [from cosmic odyssey], was not the solution to the ALEquation.

As I said before, DS has deemed a few other things the ALE since then...

This, being the best solution so far imo:

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DS was able to transform the new gods into a group of homeless people with this same equation as well...

The most powerful force in the universe makes you uberemo!

and completely destroys your sense of self

Someone should make an ALE respect thread. It's probably owned more powerful people than anything else in DC.

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Galan007
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Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Someone should make an ALE respect thread. It's probably owned more powerful people than anything else in DC.

It actually hasn't done much, thus far.

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Jun 7th, 2007 08:06 PM

Mr Master
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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Galan007
It may have been, but we don't know for sure because DS has never used it...

But even IF that arc wasn't retconned, we know by now that the ALEntity [from cosmic odyssey], was not the solution to the ALEquation.

As I said before, DS has deemed a few other things the ALE since then...

This, being the best solution so far imo:
DS was able to transform the new gods into a group of homeless people with this same equation as well...

Nice.

The way I see it, (IMO)

if the arc wasn't retconned,

then the ALE from (Cosmic Odyssey) is perhaps the totality or the Prime source of the Equation.

The Equation in it's non sentient form, perhaps draws on the power of the Sentient ALE.

The ALE was depicted as an uber powerhouse, we shouldn't take anything away from it, usually Nvr has made me play it down a bit, but the Entity from CO was far beyond the Cosmic Cinque of Power, and they were able to erase an entire Universe with one blast.

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Galan007
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Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice.

The way I see it, (IMO)

if the arc wasn't retconned,

then the ALE from (Cosmic Odyssey) is perhaps the totality or the Prime source of the Equation.

The Equation in it's non sentient form, perhaps draws on the power of the Sentient ALE.

Well,

That could be, but I highly doubt it...

By the looks of things we are about to see another Equation, [possibly the "true" Equation]...

One that allows you to defy Entropy itself.... This would be unheard of in DC.

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Jun 7th, 2007 08:17 PM

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