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Gandalf the White vs. ?
Weakest person to take Gandalf...?
They start 1 Km apart.
Aug 6th, 2007 04:19 PM
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You're all too scared to answer, eh?
Aug 6th, 2007 05:11 PM
boriquaking55
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The Punisher/Deadpool/insert random street-leveler/taskmaster could all kill Gandalf's mortal body.
Gandalf is really immortal though, his Maiar form would be much harder to destroy.
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Aug 6th, 2007 05:13 PM
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Didn't he go melee against a Balor?
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Aug 6th, 2007 06:15 PM
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Do you mean Balrog?
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Aug 6th, 2007 06:16 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by nimbus006
Do you mean Balrog?
Same shit, different name.
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Aug 6th, 2007 06:28 PM
nimbus006
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
Same shit, different name.
Oh well in that case... yes he did.
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Aug 6th, 2007 06:36 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by nimbus006
Oh well in that case... yes he did.
In which case, I seem to doubt any 'insert street leveller here' could very easily take him. Aren't Balors/Balrogs/whatever like the Seraphim of hell? Top-dog Demons?
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Aug 6th, 2007 06:39 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
In which case, I seem to doubt any 'insert street leveller here' could very easily take him. Aren't Balors/Balrogs/whatever like the Seraphim of hell? Top-dog Demons?
Balrogs are Maiar, just like Gandalf, Sauron, and Sauruman are. They are the most powerful beings in creation besides the Ainur and of course Illuvatar.
Aug 6th, 2007 06:56 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by celestialdemon
Balrogs are Maiar, just like Gandalf, Sauron, and Sauruman are. They are the most powerful beings in creation besides the Ainur and of course Illuvatar.
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English?
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Aug 6th, 2007 06:59 PM
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
.....
English?
Gandalf is one of the Maiar. Because the species isn't stuck in one form they can look like anything but still have roughly equal powers.
Gandalf could be a Balrog (or Balor for you DnD nerds) if he so desired.
The only things above them are Illuvitar (god) and the Anuir (some sorta true angels that built creation)
At least thats how I saw it.
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Aug 6th, 2007 07:02 PM
celestialdemon
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
.....
English?
Sure.
Illuvatar = God
Ainur = Seraphim
Maiar = Angels
Aug 6th, 2007 07:02 PM
boriquaking55
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Yea but I still think a Maia's mortal form is vulnerable, you just can't kill their true form.
Heck even Melkor was never killed, he's just eternally imprisoned isn't he? I like to think Sauron wasn't killed either at the end of LOTR, just banished from the mortal world.
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Aug 6th, 2007 08:26 PM
Symmetric Chaos
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by boriquaking55
Yea but I still think a Maia's mortal form is vulnerable, you just can't kill their true form.
Possible. In fact wasn't that part of the transition from Grey to White for Gandalf?
quote: (post ) Originally posted by boriquaking55
Heck even Melkor was never killed, he's just eternally imprisoned isn't he? I like to think Sauron wasn't killed either at the end of LOTR, just banished from the mortal world.
Melkor is one of the Anuir so only Illuvitar can kill him (and he doesn't seem like the killing type)
Sauron is notoriously hard to kill (or imprison) and even with his power destroyed I'm pretty sure he can keep going.
Anyway if you just need to KO him or kill him once then the more powerful Maiar should be able to do it. But because Tolkien loved magic working subletly I don't think it's possible to rank him against comic characters.
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Aug 6th, 2007 08:34 PM
boriquaking55
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Anyway if you just need to KO him or kill him once then the more powerful Maiar should be able to do it. But because Tolkien loved magic working subletly I don't think it's possible to rank him against comic characters.
Yea it is difficult to compare the two, and I made the mistake in my first post of considering the film version only, who was wayyy powered-down.
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Aug 6th, 2007 08:36 PM
Dum Dum Dugan
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any street leveler would get curf stomped. gandolph could kill them with but a thought.
Aug 6th, 2007 08:38 PM
Soljer
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Battlehammer
any street leveler would get curf stomped. gandolph could kill them with but a thought.
What if they started a lot closer? No Wolvi-blitz?
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Aug 6th, 2007 08:42 PM
Symmetric Chaos
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Battlehammer
any street leveler would get curf stomped. gandolph could kill them with but a thought.
With a thought? I don't know of him using power like that.
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Aug 6th, 2007 08:43 PM
Dum Dum Dugan
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
What if they started a lot closer? No Wolvi-blitz?
It hard to say. The dude was one of the most powerful beings the realm had ever seen.
His powers are crazy and much more exsplored out side the lord of the rings triligy.
I would have to re read some books to give you my true opinion.
but im going with gandolph till then.
Aug 6th, 2007 08:45 PM
nimbus006
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quote: (post ) Originally posted by Soljer
In which case, I seem to doubt any 'insert street leveller here' could very easily take him. Aren't Balors/Balrogs/whatever like the Seraphim of hell? Top-dog Demons?
Exactly... There is no street leveller who could stand up to a Maiar. Not only is he out of this world powerful, but Gandalf also can hold his own in swordsmanship having fought a Balrog to a standstill for 2 days.
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