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Can God create a rock so heavy that not even he can lift?

Substitute God with a supreme comic book character so this can be comic book related.

I want to see what people on the vs forum have to say about this.

Sep 9th, 2007 01:38 AM

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really depends on how you define God.

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No need for a second thread. erm

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really depends on how you define God.

Ah you're smarter than the people on the comic book forum. Ok lets just substitute God with omnipotent being smile

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Ah you're smarter than the people on the comic book forum. Ok lets just substitute God with omnipotent being

then the answer is yes

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Not this again.

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then the answer is yes

It took four posts to accomplish what they haven't in five pages lol

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Ah you're smarter than the people on the comic book forum. Ok lets just substitute God with omnipotent being

Given that there are a least 3 different ways to define omnipotence (one where the answer must be yes and two where it must be know) that doesn't really help.

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are you referring to he as in god himself or what cause god could if he used most of his power to create this rock n then tried to lift it

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Given that there are a least 3 different ways to define omnipotence (one where the answer must be yes and two where it must be know) that doesn't really help.

Well the most popular definitions are unlimited power or being able to do all things, so that's what we'll go by... but the question has already been answered correctly lol.

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Well the most popular definitions are unlimited power or being able to do all things, so that's what we'll go by... but the question has already been answered correctly lol.

There's the ability to do anything and there's the ability to transcend logic. Not all definitions of omnipotence include the second erm

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There's the ability to do anything and there's the ability to transcend logic. Not all definitions of omnipotence include the second

If one can do all things, one can transcend logic erm

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Well the most popular definitions are unlimited power or being able to do all things, so that's what we'll go by... but the question has already been answered correctly lol.

If you're able to do all things, you'd lift the rock... so it wouldn't be omnipotence. erm

That's the whole idea...

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I wonder where all these extra definitions are coming from.

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If you're able to do all things, you'd lift the rock... so it wouldn't be omnipotence.

That's the whole idea...

You asked if God could create that rock. Here is what I said:

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Yes there are many ways God can create this rock. One way is he can create a duplicate of himself, one of them not capable of lifting the rock, and therefore be able to satisfy both states simultaneously. The definition of omnipotence people are going by is being able to do anything right? So if God can do anything he can take away his omnipotence can he not? Therefore he can create that rock.
However this is all inconsequential because the word omnipotent is not found in the Bible. God has been reffered to as the Almighty but not as "omnipotent". God cannot do everything; for example he cannot sin or lie, it is against His nature.

Also, nonsense is nonsense even when talking about God. Just because you put the word "God" in front of the question doesn't make it logical, it will still be nonsense. Can God exist and not exist at the same time? Stupid question huh, but it makes the point that nonsense is still nonsense even when talking about God.

God can create that rock.

Sep 9th, 2007 01:53 AM

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I wonder where all these extra definitions are coming from.

Philosophers in need of money? Linguists? People trying to box omnipotence within human perception/experience?

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If you're able to do all things, you'd lift the rock... so it wouldn't be omnipotence.

That's the whole idea...

the thing is God's intent is to create something he can't lift...so as long as he has that intention, he won't lift it. It doesn't go against him being omnipotent because its actually his will that the rock not be liftable.

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the thing is God's intent is to create something he can't lift...so as long as he has that intention, he won't lift it. It doesn't go against him being omnipotent because its actually his will that the rock not be liftable.

But if his intent was then to lift it? Then he can do so, and therefore fail at failure...

Anyways, you're all wrong.

Why? Because it's Ineffable, which is the only correct response here.

Sep 9th, 2007 01:57 AM

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You asked if God could create that rock. Here is what I said:

God can create that rock.

I'd point out the contradictions and unlogical arguments (or those that become so when applied to this thread, anyhow), but I really don't care anymore.

God, omnipotence, etc?

It's ineffable.

I win.

Leaving now.

Sep 9th, 2007 02:00 AM

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basically, with this rock thingy, you're asking if a being with no limits can set a limit for himself

then the answer would be no, so I change my original answer

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