He'd teleport away, grow gigantic, morph his arm into a rail gun, and bombard Hulk and Jugs from afar. They'd never lay a hand on Apocalypse unless he decided to fist fight, and even then he's their superior and has more options at his disposal, as well as the ability to become either intangible, have extreme elasticity so that their blows cause no damage on impact, or morph around their punches. He could also morph part of his body into a sonic emitter and down them via sensory overload.
All that stuff wouldent do anything to the team...Maybe the sonic emitter would stop the Juggernaut. Anyways I never seen Apoc do anything morphing into a sonic watever to my knowledge.
Apoc never even shown to have mind controlling abilities.
He's morphed into various energy weapons, laser canons, mini-guns, pistons, space ships, sub-marines, etc. It's perfectly feasible. He can and has morphed his arms into various energy weapons as well as simply firing blasts from his hands. Alos his defensive capabilities trump anything Juggernaut or Hulk can output given that virtually all they have are physical assaults which will do them absolutely no good against Apocalypse for reasons I outlined above. He can negate any assault they attempt, as well as the fact that Apocalypse can bombard them from afar and can fly.
Apocalypse would slaughter them due to their lack of versatility.
Apoc can morph his body to any kind of weapon but never morphed into a sonic anything.. I'm just saying this because GL's are said that they can do anything..I think both statements are pretty general and not completely feasible.
In any case, IF Apoc had displayed any type of sonic abilities like how Nimrod has done, Juggernaut would go down.
But what about the Hulk?
How would Apoc beat this guy. He not gonna restrain him this time around because the Hulk has grown much much more stronger than his past appearances before planet hulk. Unless Apoc can hold a planet together he's not gonna do jack to the HULK physically.
I don't see Apocalypse beating the Hulk with his weaponry either.
Nukes doesn't hurt or stop the Hulk, Apoc's guns aren't either.
Telepathy won't work either, Xavier and Emma Frost try'd that and failed miserably.
So what is Apocalypse left with?
Avoiding the Hulk and making this match a stalemate possibly..
You say that Apocalypse SLAUGHTERS because of his versatility.
I disagree, he may be versatile. BUT just because one is versatile he is not always POWERFUL.
Thor and The Silver Surfer are versatile and Powerful. Apoc on the other hand is versatile but not nearly as powerful.
This fight is anything but a slaughter because APOC has no means by putting the hulk down due to his greater durability, healing factor, and superior strength.
Well, to be honest, it's still a slaughter, because, as I stated before, Apocalypse can simply make himself intangible so that Hulk's blows have no effect, take on a consistency like rubber so that the impacts of Hunk's punches have no effect, or simply out maneuver Hulk either via teleportation or flight. Hulk has no offense that can effect Apocalypse. All he has is strength which Apocalypse can negate in many ways.
As for putting Hulk down, I'm not sure whether you're aware of this or not, but Apocalypse has the ability to absorb energy from external sources, be they artificial sources or bio energy. He could drain Hulk:
Similar to how he drained Cyclops here in the scan above.
And before you pose the "but Cyclops was firing on Apocalypse" argument, if you notice in the first panel the blast is striking Apocalypse with zero effect. In the second panel Apocalypse extends his hand and forcibly extracts the "bio-energy" from Cyclops. Now, Hulk is essentially a walking Gamma reactor, and as shown by Surfer and various other characters, his energy can be siphoned as well. Apocalypse also has intimate knowledge of Hulk's abilities and power source, coupled with the ability to morph his body into advanced weaponry and machinery, and the ability to absorb, or forcibly extract, energy from external sources.
He would slaughter Hulk.
And also, to counter your obvious retort of "It's not like Hulk is going to just stand there and let Apocalypse drain him, he'll attack Apocalypse", Apocalypse also has the ability to erect powerful forcefields and teleport. Hulk will never lay a hand on him unless he wants him to.
This isn't a comic battle.
Apocalypse easily trumps Hulk, all abilities at play.
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Anyone who's been a Horseman loses by default. SINCE MOST OF THEM WERE ALREADY BEATEN BY APOCALYPSE AND HE HAS INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR POWERS AND WEAKNESSES.
And seriously, if he put Hulk in a chokehold and beats up guys like Ikaris, what's stopping him from just using anti-gamma weaponry to shut down Hulk's powers?
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Apocalypse's healing factor is just as good as Hulk's.
And physically, Apocalypse isn't that outmatched. Apocalypse has already shown capable of augmenting his strength and durability by (apparently) manipulating his mass at will. Basically, he can become stronger and more durable as he wishes due to his body control. At his best, Apocalypse has shown capable of withstanding attacks from X-Factor, Inhumans, including Black Bolt without sustaining injury..... and no Apoc wasn't empowered at that point; that's just some serious speculations.
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Nimrod... technology from the near future.(let's not forget the present day X-MAN nullifying tech employed during his series, think it rendered them immune to tp/tk, iirc.... not related to this particular fight though.). Apocalypse celestial technology, knowledge far in advance of modern science, genius intellect, centuries of knowledge, ability to morph into any mechanical or chemical weapon. Can and does plans things through, showing he can prep. Is usually up to date on the goings and events taking place around the world.
As previously stated in this thread, he drains away his gamma powers ala surfer, I mean doom has a device that can even drain the surfer/xman in his basement and that is present tech. Apoc can morph his body into complex machinery, or build it out of celestial tech.(prep time, he's a genius too!), he already can absorb mass and energy from external sources by himself, as previously stated
Teleports hulk across vast distances into outer space. I'm sure he has speed too. And while I'm not up to date in hulk comics, I'm sure that comic has its own hulk neutralizing tech present day elite soldiers somewhere(xman had such, and the xmen have those mutant power cancelling collars.).
HE can port the hulk away into outer space, if there's any present day tech in hulk's comic able to handle/subdue him apoc should be able to do similar, it's probable he can absorb hulk's gamma rays, either through his energy absorption, or some technological device(as previously stated).
He can also shape shift into his friends, and using tk knowledge of them along with psychology(apoc's a master brainwasher/mind-manipulator) calm him down or subdue him. Once he's in banner state he can die.
Apoc likely has superspeed too... though not sure there's panel evidence for that.
Apoc could morph his back, feet, or any other part of his body into a warp drive or rocket thrusters and speed blitz them. He has, on panel, morphed a portion of his body into a space craft and flown in space.
Hell, to gain more velocity on his punches Apoc could morph the back of his elbow into a thruster and launch his fist at Hulk at mach speeds, while simultaneously morphing his hand into a spike, blade, drill, or plasma torch, and simply impale Hulk. Form there he could morph his hand/arm which is inside Hulk into a giant mechanical spreader and rip Hulk apart internally (and this can be done with one arm). He could morph the other arm into a restraint.
Not to mention the fact Apoc can always grow to 50+ feet tall and weighing several hundred tons and simply punt Hulk across the planet. Hulk is 7.5 feet tall and weighs under a ton. Apoc could soccer kick Hulk like a nerf ball if he wished. All the anger in the world doesn't counter the fact Hulk only weighs 1,400 lbs. Far too many options for Apoc to defeat Hulk. All Hulk has is his physical strength which Apoc can match or negate.
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