cm is described as having the strenght of hercules, diana through out her history is described as being as strong or stronger than herc, in comparison cm appears to be equal in strenght to superman while diana seems to be far beneath supes in strenght and when they fight, this is an annoying paradox thats been bothering many for years, please some feedback to this will be most welcomed.
One of Superman's weakness is magic, which is exactly what Marvel is. imo Wonder Woman is closer to Superman in strength simply because she is the female equivalent of him and has strength feats to back her up. In addition, she Superman's sidekick.
That's what you get when it comes to debating fictional characters based on fictional characters that are based on mythological characters.
There will be a lot of ...slippage.
Suffice it to say that Superman is the strongest of them all (his strength levels can apparently expand to fit the situation), while the strength of CM and WW are below his.
However, for all intents and purposes the respective strengths are not discernible. It is a bit like trying to match the speed of the Flash vs Superman vs Black Adam.
There is a clear hierachy, but for all intents and purposes there is no difference (unless you are trying to beat instantaneous travel, in which case the Flash would win). For most observers they would all seem to be the same speed.
Same thing in strength when you look at Kal, Diana and Billy's alter ego. There is a hierachy (with Kal being tops), but there is no real discernible difference unless a very high level of feat is called for.
The best way of looking at it is the feat in whch Superman, WonderWoman and the Martian Manhunter pulled the Earth .....obviously all 3 were probably not pulling the same load, but what it showed is that all 3 were extremely powerful. Even though the weight dispersal may not have been 33.3% for each, even a dispersal of (my own figures) of 50%, 30% and 20% would still have the person pulling 20% being VERY powerful all the same.
Thus, all one can say for sure is that Superman is stronger than CM and WW, particularly when he stops holding back and decides to give it his all.
CM gets his strength from a more powerful Hercules and he can mix powers like hercules and atlas plus boost them from the power of Zeus. Supes is clearly stronger than WW and equal to Billy because he's never proven to be stronger or done anything that Billy tried and couldn't do. In a Fight Billy has the advantage on Supes due to magic but lifting they are equal. As for Herc I don't know much about DC's Herc but he appears to be strong enough to trade blows with WW,CM, and Supes.
There are a good number of strength feats that Superman has done over the years which Billy has never come close to doing.
I know what you are trying to say, but if I really wanted to split hairs I could easily start putting feat after feat that you wouldn't be able to match.
CM takes power from a different Herc as it was stated in Trials of Shazam.
Of course all of DC's Hercs could be aspects of the same deity...
Anyway.
CM appears to be equal to Supes but I think this is due to magic also.
On the other hand WW always appears to be weaker than Supes (like the instance where he broke her wrists) but very strong none the less.
Now I'm certain that WW is more skilled than DC Herc but I would say that DC Herc is stronger than her.
In the recent Wonder Girl mini DC Herc having been reduced to HALF STRENGTH by Zeus and without wearing the golden fence of Olympian was being held by WW.When he snapped out of some mind control he effortlessly threw her away.No skill.No speed.Just strength.
Plus in JSA #13 Hercules who still had HALF of his strength easily made Supes bleed and punched him through a building and that was after he already had been in a fight.
So I would say that CM and Herc are maybe equal and WW just a notch below.
I understand that but I'm saying that It's not like Billy tried to lift something that Supes did and couldn't get it up. I know Supes has more feats than Billy. But I understand what you are saying.
And you've gotta love the standard hypocrisy where Superman's magic weakness is concerned.
Put Superman up against Thor and every Superman fan will line up with a dozen scans to prove that the magic weakness isn't a factor.
Wait a day, then bring up Captain Marvel stalemating Superman and wait for those same fans to immediately cite his magic weakness as a convenient excuse.
Agree Cap and WW are very very close to supes id say either cap is stronger or mabey they are equal. As far as duribility goes id definetly say cap and as far as speed goes id say they bout the same.
Personally, I feel that Wonder Woman is superior to Captain Marvel in just about every category. And no, that's not putting CM down. I'm just stating what I feel to be the truth, based on feats.
What does that have to do with the base hypocrisy in the treatment of Superman's magic weakness as either a non-factor or an easy excuse for poor showings depending on what suits a Superman fan's purpose at a given moment?
Becuz CM can actually trade blows with superman at superspeed. And take many of superman's speed based puches due to durability. Thor may have magic, but he CANNOT. That is what it has to do with it.
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