Silver Surfer was only able to beat a Punisher by using matter manipulation. That weakness is not something Superman could utilise now its merged with The Fury.
Rachel Grey had to create a black hole to beat a Fury.
Superman isnt as powerful as Thanos though is he? Considering that Thanos eats heralds for breakfast why are we comparing Superman to Thanos?
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ohhhh man I totally mistook this thread. I thought you were talking about Frank Castle and THe machine MJJ (alt) made. I mean Frank wouldn't do shit and The Fury would rape him.
even with his own powers dampened, surfer still has little trouble in dispatching a punisher. while the upgrade would help somewhat, i really don't see them taking down superman...
He had to resort to matter manipluation because brute force was not working. Its merged with a Fury thats going to make matter manipluation extremely difficult.
Superman does not have matter manipluation on the level that Surfer has.
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he doesn't need it, imo. surfer said himself that because both are powered by galactus (in a sense), that surfer wasn't hurting him as much. if surfer was at full strength and able to hurt him, then i'd like to see what happens...
also, fury got beat by what was largely a second rate x-men team.
"My stoutest blows have no effect on him - perhaps because Galactus created us both, he is somehow immune to my blasts of power cosmic."
also, it isn't even specified if the surfer is throwing punches...
i read the comic. a black hole is impressive, but before that, we hadn't seen him fight anyone that impressive. bishop? cannonball? he didn't fight anyone with massive levels of strength.
fury (and it was just a facsimile, iirc) got killed by a black hole. that durability << superman's.
1. Hes said perhaps.
2. Hes fought other heralds before and been able to hurt them.
Probably not looking at how he usually fights.
So did I.
Ok I see what you are saying but I think you are missing the point. Eventhough brute strength was not used to defeat it all sorts of different attackes were bing used to defeat it. If it merely took brute force they would have used it. Sage was analysing The Fury and looking at The Furys weakness and amping Rachel. If it all it took was brute force Sage would have gone for that option.
At any rate The Fury is merged with The Punisher so it now has class 100 durability, it can also create a forcefield.
As far as I know the black hole was created inside the Fury so thats different. At any rate Superman is going to have a hard time destroying it and in the mean time its going to get stronger.
P.S> However in a mini-series it seems that weaker versions of The Fury were killed by conventional damage. Based on those version my robot would lose but if its based the one that appeared in The X-men the robot can win.
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Yeah dude I thought the same thing... It's the chump machine on the worldship. But I do believe SS speculation about being created by BIg G and The machine also being created by big G SS physical blows would not have been as damaging. Since I'm confident SS punches are normally juiced up with PC. Superman would not have such a problem....
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Jan 29th, 2009 02:24 PM
on me. i finally remembered where i'd seen the punisher before:
