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JLA vs Avengers rematch

I know that the rules for a normal forum match classify JLA/Avengers as non-cannon, but for the purposes of this thread we're going to assume that it IS cannon evidence for all parties. No one gets "basic knowledge" on the opposing team beyond what they ended JLA/Avengers with. Since I don't think these versions of Wonder Man and Aquaman were seen in the crossover, just assume that Grandmaster somehow gave them any memories their future versions aquired in the crossover.

Superman(current)
Green Lantern(Hal)
Flash(Wally)
Wonder Woman
Aquaman(Magic Water Hand)
Martian Manhunter
Firestorm

vs

Thor(classic)
Quasar
Monica Rambeau
Mantis(Celestial Madonna)
Mar-Vell
Pre Ionic Form Wonder Man(when he learned to grow, regenerate limbs, etc.)
Sersi


Everyone begins the match "Battle Ready" and fights in character(assume that only the winning team will be returned to their universe to help determine what will constitute "is character"). The battlefield is in a neutral universe(Speed Force works though) and looks identical to the one they fought on at the end of issue 2. Also note that this is a team battle, not 7 independant fights between logical counterparts.

Who takes it?


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Aquaman would remember anyway. It was the same person. stick out tongue

Or he was an alternate universe one?


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Aquaman would remember anyway. It was the same person. stick out tongue

Or he was an alternate universe one?

Was it? Damn I thought it was a version w/o the water hand.


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Team DC.Marvel has a few weak links.


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Team DC.Marvel has a few weak links.

Which characters do you consider "weak links"?


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Was it? Damn I thought it was a version w/o the water hand.


It was. but its the same guy.


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Which characters do you consider "weak links"?
If any sersi.

Then I don't even know who monica is?


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It was. but its the same guy.

I thought he lost the water hand before the crossover though?


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If any sersi.

Then I don't even know who monica is?


Sersi isn't a weak link.

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Sersi isn't a weak link.
She is IMO.


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If any sersi.

Then I don't even know who monica is?

You think the chick that ko'd Hercules with a punch and is a top tier telepath and transmuter is a weak link confused ?

She's the black chick who turns into energy.


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You think the chick that ko'd Hercules with a punch and is a top tier telepath and transmuter is a weak link confused ?

She's the black chick who turns into energy.
Slightly moreso compared to team DC.Only slightly but that can make the difference.


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I thought he lost the water hand before the crossover though?


It was after the crossover iirc.

canon aquaman had lost the hook and gained the water hand.


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Slightly moreso compared to team DC.Only slightly but that can make the difference.

Well ok, but I gotta disagree. TBO if I had to pick one Mid Herald to get bumped up to high, I'd probably pick Sersi. All she needs is one or two more uber unquantifiable feats to fit the bill IMO.


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It was after the crossover iirc.

canon aquaman had lost the hook and gained the water hand.

Well then I guess the stip's only for Wonder Man.


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Any reason in particular, or do you just see the JLA as being overall more powerful?


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Any reason in particular, or do you just see the JLA as being overall more powerful?
More powerful and JLA will have better teamwork here.

Also they don't seem to have a real counter for Wally who will take out someone like Sersi and other less agile members off rather quickly.

Other than energy output JLA seem to be better at almost everything else.


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I would say Sersi's more powerful/useful than Wonder Man, Mar-vell, or Mantis.


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More powerful and JLA will have better teamwork here.

Also they don't seem to have a real counter for Wally who will take out someone like Sersi and other less agile members off rather quickly.

Other than energy output JLA seem to be better at almost everything else.

I can definately see teamwork being a major edge for the JLA since the Avengers are missing Cap, but I don't really see them as being more powerful overall(but maybe that's just me).

I could see Mantis or Monica pulling their share of wins against Wally. I mean Mantis was dealing with charges from Quicksilver before her upgrade and Runner after her upgrade(and I know the Quicksilver thing doesn't mean much at this level, I was just demonstrating that the thing with the Runner wasn't necessarily a fluke), so I could definately see her putting Wally on his ass long enough to finish him off on a good day. And since Monica would start the fight flying in energy form(likely GL energy since she learned to use it in the crossover) I can picture her giving him fits too. Also remember that the combatants are Battle Ready, so the fliers will most likely start the fight in air.


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