yeah that didn't make much sense to me giving Hal a plot cannon like that. I mean what's stopping him from marching up to say.... mordru and delivering the same blast to ko his ass.
The context behind Hal's "Krona Killer" makes me think that it wouldn't be as effective if Krona had been replaced by Thanos or whatever elite villain you could think of.
His willpower apparently superseded Krona's control of Ion (and the other entities) as well as bypass the ring's safeguard against injuring/slaying Guardians. I personally don't think the blast itself was so much powerful as its properties were capable to blast through those specific defenses. It's a great feat for Hal, still.
I didn't say Krona was weaker. I was saying that Hal's willpower cutting through his defenses (the Ion entity and the whole ring's inability to kill Guardians) shouldn't translate into Hal can one shot kill or maim other uber characters when you look at the context.
I don't think that played too much of a factor. After all, Kyle, John, Guy, Kilowog, Sinestro, and a host of other GL's, had no problems using their rings during that very same issue.
Like you went on to say: Hal's feat was unique/uber because his willpower became sufficient to override the safeguards placed on the rings by the Guardians themselves- subsequently allowing him to kill Krona. If he hit Thanos with a blast of the same force, he [Thanos] certainly wouldn't shrug it off.
Right, his willpower overrided a specific defense that Krona and other Guardians had. Against characters who don't have that safeguard to be "overcome" by default, I think the feat, while still highly impressive, shouldn't translate into the exact same outcome. I agree that such a blast would harm Thanos, though.
Basically, to me, the blast was less "OMG it's so powerful" and more "Holy shit, he shot through the shield".
You don't seem to understand that there was no context to excuse this. The only added bit is the fact that Hal's will overrode the 'no-killing a guardian policy' that was imposed on his capabilities. Krona was still as powerful.
And that makes the feat even more impressive.
Before I elaborate on how ridiculously dumb this is, I'll ask you just to make sure - are you serious?
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Yes, Hal's blast cut through the defenses which would have normally prevented him from killing Krona. And yes, Krona was still powerful.
But Hal's will overriding his ring's "no killing a Guardian policy" is something that should be considering when dealing when comparing that specific instance to other characters not named Krona or are a Guardian of the Universe, which is the main point I'm trying to make.
Personally, I don't think if you replace Krona with Mordru or Darkseid or even Thanos or some other big bad, you'd get the same result of Hal one shot killing or KOing them. And I don't think my viewpoint is taking away from the feat, which I've said is uber and great for Hal.
As far as the actual fight goes, Krona beats Thanos.
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You have no point, because you have a fundamental mis-understanding of that entire scene.
The limitations had nothing to do with Krona. The no-killing policy had nothing to do with Krona's defenses or power. The sole problem was Hal's ring not allowing him to kill a Guardian. Which Hal overcame with a willpower, to deliver the killing blow.
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It's not much different than Superman not wanting to kill a sentient being, but with everything at stake knowing that he has to, so he overrides that imposed limitation (ie. the rings limitation) and kills him, which is still his own power/Hal's own willpower, and has nothing to do with Doomsday/Krona's defenses getting brought down.
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In case anyone forgot, because - I don't know - you're not looking at one of the 3 billion pages that says this: GL rings are the most powerful weapons in the universe.
We've seen the rings do ridiculous things. We've haven't ever seen a hard limit on the rings though (other than running out of power), only on the willpower of the user. I have no problem believing that Johns wanked Jordan so hard his willpower shot up to unprecedented levels, making that Krona killer blast actually strong enough to bust through Krona's defenses.
And yeah, I think that blast would kill Thanos too.
/shrug
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Why would it not kill Thanos? I don't get it, obviously the blast stays as powerful as it was, as long as Hal can replicate it. Even if it means it kills trans levelers, how do you justify downgrading the blast?
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