The JSA has Alan and Hector, but also the two weakest characters. I can see Zatanna and Hal doing better against Sentinel and Hector, but I can't say the same for Karen or Jay against Diana and Barry... Or Diana and Zatanna can switch partners. Just curious who the JSA wins.
Alan and Hector are significantly beyond both Hal and Z, imo.
Karen's also at least as strong and fast as Wonder Woman, as commented by Diana herself. Diana has the skills and equipment, though. Barry's better than Jay, true. And Cap and Superman are pretty much equals.
I wouldn't say Hector and Alan are significantly beyond Hal or Zee. Prior to the reboot, Zatanna did well against a Sun eater, Black lantern, Despero and Amazo. I think she could hold her own against Hector. The same could be said about Hal. I recently read Geoff Johns run on the JSA (Black Vengeance, Black Reign, Mixed Signals, and I believe the last one is called Stealing Thunder). Yes, Alan accomplished crafty feats, but so has Hal. Alan had his a** handed to him by Black Adam. (I was dissapointed seing as Alan is suppose to be Teth's superior). Once again, Zee and Jordan aren't overpower. Just my opinion.
Please reread Wonder Woman #34. Yes, Diana commented that Karen was a formidable opponent, but once Diana got serious she easily schooled Powergirl. Everything Karen's done, Diana's can do better. If we compare feats, Diana is Karen's superior. You can't based your assumption on just one fight.
She could hold her own against the rookie Hector. The same Hector who was taking it to Mordru, not so much. Z's good, but she's always been just a step or two (or several) behind Fate. Alan packs more power than Hal by a good deal. Hal himself has admitted he doesn't want to fight Alan, and with the power of the Starheart at Alan's command, I don't blame him. Alan's gotten progressively more powerful as time progressed, and there was a time that Hal could hang with him, but that time has since passed a while ago.
I'm pretty familiar with both the issue and both characters. Diana used her superior skill to beat Karen who was mind controlled. She has the better feats, yes, but in a direct comparison against the two as far as strength and speed was concerned, Karen was given the nod that she was at least her equal. I'm not assuming anything, but stating what was said and shown. Physicality is a wash between the two, but Diana is the better fighter and has gear to further slide things in her favor.
Fate and Alan tips things in favor for the JSA, imho.
JLA barely. Superman beats marvel, hal drops a roof on alan, diana schools karen again, Barry stomps Jay, Zee stalemates hector. For people underselling Z, she summoned spectre while weakened effortlessley when even Phantom stranger couldn't.
I know jake but hal can tag along long enough to give someone like Barry enough time to do this.
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Barry is many times faster than jay, hell even kal is faster than Jay. Alan's record against physical threats is very poor, gentleman ghost once put him in coma by dropping a roof on him. Hector is also portrayed as quite vulnerable to physical assaults.
I heard he became an energy being just like Kent Nelson. And Kent Nelson tanked a ton of physical attacks. To the point where he was near immune to physical attacks.
We are not talking about hector as he was at the end of his career, then this match would be spite. I am talking about his early and learning process portrayals.
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