CIS is most definitely on in this one, but there is a slight twist. All opponents will respond in kind to their dance mates. For example; If Black Adam becomes aggressive, his opponent/s will respond with equal aggression. This small rule goes for all on the field.
The Battle takes place on a planet of equal size, and atmosphere as the planet Earth.
With CIS on Superman can almost take a split from Surfer. Superman definitely has the tools to seriously rock Surfer, make no mistake about that. Also, Surfer doesn't always use his speed in combat. Just look at all the times he's fought Thor. The reason I argue this way is the same reason that many argue against me that Superman is not going to always speedblitz or use his top fighting speed at the beginning of a fight.
IMO, this is a good fight and not a stomp in either direction. With CIS on Surfer sucks more than everyone here and team 1 is slightly favored.
Which is useless because that would be alternate kryptonite and wouldn't affect him.Superman beats the shit out of him in the fraction of a nanosecond.
Alternate kryptonite won't affect him because the radiation isn't exactly the same. Isn't that how it was once explained on panel? That doesn't matter to Surfer, who will just use his cosmic awareness to know the right radiation, then his power cosmic to manufacture it. He could do the same with red sun radiation or any of the variations of either that affect Kryptonians in bizarre ways.
Keep in mind, he has actually done this before to deal with a flying brick who has a specific weakness pretty clearly implied to represent Superman. That's why Supes is an especially bad match up.
So, it quickly becomes Surfer vs Thor. Which Surfer has to work for, but eventually wins more often than not.
A statement isn't actually a feat. I can bring statement from superman himself that he can bench-press earth, its of no value. It doesn't work that way, either you're from the kryptonian's home reality or you're not. If it was just the case of finding the right frequency of kryptonite then Brainiac 5 wouldn't have to go to such lengths to stop SBP. Its a hypothetical stance with no on panel proof while all the info suggests that it wouldn't work. But hey its surfer, he can boast about knowing an unknown radiation frequency by unknown methods and he would just find out a radiation frequency from another universe with just the right quantum signature from 52 universes. There isn't any thing such as "right kryptonite" and its true since COIE.
If that's how you want to play it, I concede. Red sun radiation works from any reality. Plus, Supes is powered by yellow sun radiation, which Surfer can just absorb right off him. Or Surfer BFRs him into a red sun. I'm not even being creative yet. This is all within the proven applications of his powerset. I love Superman, but all he can hope to do is punch.
Thor is a different story. Less raw power but no specific weaknesses and a magic hammer that protects him from Surfer's esoteric powers.
Which ones? I'll post a few things if you can be specific. But Surfer is used a lot on this board, so it would be kinder of you to just browse a respect thread or something.
It doesn't, not in the open. Sun boy turned earth's sun into red sun, guess what? His powers returned as soon as the sun was turned yellow. Eradicator turned earth's sun red and tossed superman in it, twice. What happened, nothing of course. He escaped and defeated him under the red sun. There are multiple examples like them. Unless surfer can remove the yellow sun, its not happening. For power drainage he resisted blackstarr who was effecting time particles with her energy manipulation powers. He can resist surfer long enough to replenish his powers by sunlight. With CIS on surfer isn't going to do this on the fly anyway.
I've browsed a lot of surfer threads. I haven't seen anything that particularly impresses me in combat speed department, he's fast but superman is faster.
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