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The Chaos King Vs Maelstrom

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You know this is a damn good fight.

On one hand you have Maelstrom w/Q-bands/Anomaly/Cosmic Awareness that created a black hole powerful enough to destroy the 616 universe none of the abstracts and cosmics below Eternity or Infinity level of power were able to stop it (Quasar as Avatar of Infinity would have been able to stop it but was attacked by Maelstrom).

However, Maelstrom didn't really FIGHT (Anomaly turned up alive and well after the whole CiC event was over) anyone aside from Quasar (as Infinity's Avatar and that was ONLY after he died in the black hole and became Oblivion's Avatar). Sure he went around insulting various cosmics and talked smack to Thanos w/IG but nothing really came of any of those.

On the other hand you have Chaos King. He slaughtered skyfathers and their realms, devoured Satan and extinguished Hell, annihilated Hell Lord after Hell Lord and ate their realms, caused Death to flee creation, then went on to devour 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE before he was basically appeased and halted his rampage. In that very comic, super genius Cho (with a residue of his divine powers) admitted MULTIPLE times that they did not have the power to beat CK.

I'm going with Chaos King every single time (but the weirdness of Anomaly will make these fights far from one sided).


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Originally posted by zopzop
You know this is a damn good fight.

On one hand you have Maelstrom w/Q-bands/Anomaly/Cosmic Awareness that created a black hole powerful enough to destroy the 616 universe none of the abstracts and cosmics below Eternity or Infinity level of power were able to stop it (Quasar as Avatar of Infinity would have been able to stop it but was attacked by Maelstrom).

However, Maelstrom didn't really FIGHT (Anomaly turned up alive and well after the whole CiC event was over) anyone aside from Quasar (as Infinity's Avatar and that was ONLY after he died in the black hole and became Oblivion's Avatar). Sure he went around insulting various cosmics and talked smack to Thanos w/IG but nothing really came of any of those.

On the other hand you have Chaos King. He slaughtered skyfathers and their realms, devoured Satan and extinguished Hell, annihilated Hell Lord after Hell Lord and ate their realms, caused Death to flee creation, then went on to devour 98.75% of the MULTIVERSE before he was basically appeased and halted his rampage. In that very comic, super genius Cho (with a residue of his divine powers) admitted MULTIPLE times that they did not have the power to beat CK.

I'm going with Chaos King every single time (but the weirdness of Anomaly will make these fights far from one sided).


Except of course it was the 616 universe and not the entire marvel multiverse.
And cho did admit there was nothing he could do...
And then of course he figured out a way to win the day.

And for all the pandering he devoured the entire multiverse, he didn't.
The continuum was created as a separate universe in the far expanse of the multiverse on the far side away from the 616 universe. To win they sent the chaos king to the far end into their own created universe. And the chaos king who's awareness wasn't the best didn't even know the difference between being in 616 or the continuum universe.

And let's not forget it was the Hercules who said UNIVERSE with his ALL FATHER powers. The only legitimate threat against the chaos king right?

Or how's about that lightning bolt from Thor taste?

Not the true multiverse. Not in the sense as seen in the spiral during Xman comics, or the falling into the void with atletza with thanos issues... Etc.

So yes chaos king for all his vaunted power at best defeated sky fathers and galactus... Where as the cancer verse had primordial gods, celestials and galactus facing off against its galactus engine and the force behind that engine was even greater than the engine itself.

And death fled the realm.... Not multiverse.


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Its multiverse. End of story.


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Except of course it was the 616 universe and not the entire marvel multiverse.
And cho did admit there was nothing he could do...
And then of course he figured out a way to win the day.

And for all the pandering he devoured the entire multiverse, he didn't.
The continuum was created as a separate universe in the far expanse of the multiverse on the far side away from the 616 universe. To win they sent the chaos king to the far end into their own created universe. And the chaos king who's awareness wasn't the best didn't even know the difference between being in 616 or the continuum universe.

And let's not forget it was the Hercules who said UNIVERSE with his ALL FATHER powers. The only legitimate threat against the chaos king right?

Or how's about that lightning bolt from Thor taste?

Not the true multiverse. Not in the sense as seen in the spiral during Xman comics, or the falling into the void with atletza with thanos issues... Etc.

So yes chaos king for all his vaunted power at best defeated sky fathers and galactus... Where as the cancer verse had primordial gods, celestials and galactus facing off against its galactus engine and the force behind that engine was even greater than the engine itself.

And death fled the realm.... Not multiverse.


Pak Lee rushed Chaos story arc, it was all over the place in my opinion.

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Its multiverse. End of story.


No it's not. And you are one of the last people here to speak as if you had any kind of authority. At least when zopzop speaks there's sense begin his words.


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Originally posted by the Darkone
Pak Lee rushed Chaos story arc, it was all over the place in my opinion.


That sir, is true. I mean heck the guy has Athena and Hercules say universe and cho multiverse? To what end? And then describes how the continuum is created as placing an entire universe within our universe? And the chaos king can't tell? :-/

Definitely lazy story boarding.


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"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
"You don't understand. This is fiction. That means none of this stuff really happened."
"There is no writer to purposely ignore a character's natural ability just because it suits the story."
"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."

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Originally posted by rotiart
Except of course it was the 616 universe and not the entire marvel multiverse.
And cho did admit there was nothing he could do...
And then of course he figured out a way to win the day.

And for all the pandering he devoured the entire multiverse, he didn't.
The continuum was created as a separate universe in the far expanse of the multiverse on the far side away from the 616 universe. To win they sent the chaos king to the far end into their own created universe. And the chaos king who's awareness wasn't the best didn't even know the difference between being in 616 or the continuum universe.

And let's not forget it was the Hercules who said UNIVERSE with his ALL FATHER powers. The only legitimate threat against the chaos king right?

Or how's about that lightning bolt from Thor taste?

Not the true multiverse. Not in the sense as seen in the spiral during Xman comics, or the falling into the void with atletza with thanos issues... Etc.

So yes chaos king for all his vaunted power at best defeated sky fathers and galactus... Where as the cancer verse had primordial gods, celestials and galactus facing off against its galactus engine and the force behind that engine was even greater than the engine itself.

And death fled the realm.... Not multiverse.


We'll discuss this later because there's strong evidence for both sides of the argument about whether he destroyed 98.75% of the universe or multiverse.


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We'll discuss this later because there's strong evidence for both sides of the argument about whether he destroyed 98.75% of the universe or multiverse.


K, but either way chaos king wins. Simple matter of durability. He faced a universe ending attack and died.


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"I claimed that the science is sometimes faulty."
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"in some cases because the writer knows that Character A will dominate Character B easily and refuses to allow this to happen for the sake of the story."

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Concerning an actual fight between these two, here's why I believe CK beats the sh|t out of Maelstrom.

Maelstrom + Cosmic Awareness + Quantum Bands + Anomaly created a super massive black hole that would have destroyed the universe.............eventually. Many of the universe's most powerful beings were helpless to stop it, however Quasar with Infinity's power would have been able to stop the black hole AND reverse it's effects but Maelstrom interrupted him by tackling him into the black hole. Unfortunately for Maelstrom, Quasar used his power to enhance the black hole and this wound up killing Maelstrom. Oblivion then recreated Maelstrom to be his new Avatar and pulled Quasar into Oblivion's realm.
Key points :
a) Infinity's power would have been sufficient to stop and reverse the black hole
b) Maelstrom + Anomaly + Quantum Bands + Cosmic Awareness was killed by that black hole and had to be recreated by Oblivion
c) Up till he was recreated as Oblivion's Avatar he wasn't amped by Oblivion in any way
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Infinity emerges from Quasar and chooses him as her avatar, Oblivion already chose Maelstrom as his avatar and the two battle it out. They are locked in a stalemate and neither side is budging :
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Key points :
a) Quasar with just Infinity's power was able to stalemate Maelstrom with Oblivion's power AND the Quantum Bands AND Maelstrom's own kinetic manipulation power (both sides had Cosmic Awareness and both were Anomalies).

Quasar beats Maelstrom by convincing him that he's a greater Anomaly than Maelstrom himself, this causes Maelstrom to lose focus and the Quantum Bands consume him. Next Infinity and Oblivion summon Eternity and Death to negotiate a new contract between the powers. Quasar with his Cosmic Awareness states that of all the abstracts in the universe, these four are the most powerful :
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Eternity and Infinity are just two sides of the same coin :
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Chaos King is an Anti-God, the Void which defines Eternity, if Eternity fights him "he fights himself", meaning they are peers/equals :
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Chaos King causes Death to flee :
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To recap :

A) Death, Eternity, Infinity, Oblivion are the Big Four Abstracts in the universe.
B) Infinity's power by itself was enough to stalemate Maelstrom + Quantum Bands + his own kinetic manipulation powers + Oblivion.
C) Infinity and Eternity are two sides of the same coin.
D) Chaos King is Eternity's peer/equal.
E) Death fled from Chaos King.

Chaos King caused one of the "Big Four" abstracts to FLEE. Chaos King is the peer/equal of Eternity and hence, Infinity (since Eternity is just another side of Infinity). Maelstrom, at his best, had the power of Oblivion (one of the big four abstracts) PLUS : the Quantum Bands and his own kinetic manipulation powers (leaving out Cosmic Awareness and Anomaly since both he and Quasar had them) and could still only stalemate Quasar with just Infinity's power.

Hence Chaos King beats Maelstrom.


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K, but either way chaos king wins. Simple matter of durability. He faced a universe ending attack and died.


OMG, you could have said that before I posted that stuff. LOL. rolling on floor laughing


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Except of course it was the 616 universe and not the entire marvel multiverse.
And cho did admit there was nothing he could do...
And then of course he figured out a way to win the day.

And for all the pandering he devoured the entire multiverse, he didn't.
The continuum was created as a separate universe in the far expanse of the multiverse on the far side away from the 616 universe. To win they sent the chaos king to the far end into their own created universe. And the chaos king who's awareness wasn't the best didn't even know the difference between being in 616 or the continuum universe.

And let's not forget it was the Hercules who said UNIVERSE with his ALL FATHER powers. The only legitimate threat against the chaos king right?

Or how's about that lightning bolt from Thor taste?

Not the true multiverse. Not in the sense as seen in the spiral during Xman comics, or the falling into the void with atletza with thanos issues... Etc.

So yes chaos king for all his vaunted power at best defeated sky fathers and galactus... Where as the cancer verse had primordial gods, celestials and galactus facing off against its galactus engine and the force behind that engine was even greater than the engine itself.

And death fled the realm.... Not multiverse.


Well here's what I found in the net.I quoted this to save the trouble of typing.It's up to you if you wanna believe it or not.Just making a case for CK anyways.

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Here are scans I found on the net Narrating the events of Chaos War.From Fear Itself Spotlight.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums...z5/MSFI_033.jpg

Now as can be seen in this scan, its stated SuperGod Hercules is the only one who can prevent the end of all things.The next scan is narrated by the Watcher in what was happening in Chaos War.From History of the Marvel Universe.

Note:The Watcher wasn't present during the events of Chaos War.So its amazing he recorded what went on it.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums...Talking072a.jpg

Proof the Watcher was narrating what actually was happening in the Marvel Universe.He even narrated the events of Fear Itself.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums...Talking073a.jpg

Watcher stated that Chaos King targeted "All Reality".A lot of people might be thinking Hell realms,the realms of Gods and etc if the Watcher stated All Reality.The next scan shows Watcher differentiating Reality-616 and Reality-295.

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums...Talking074a.jpg

So the "All Reality" mentioned by the Watcher would be the Multiverse.


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