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Who is the weakest non-technopath who can defeat...

Who is the weakest non-technopath that can beat Neo and Agent Smith inside of the Matrix every single time (as in a perfect 10/10)?

The opponent doesnt get any prep, cannot perform any outside manipulation of the Matrix, nor can he/she/it get free from the Matrix and win that way; said opponent must defeat these two while fully immersed inside of the Matrix...

So once again, who is the weakest non-technopath that can beat Neo and Agent Smith every single time in the Matrix under these conditions?


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Nobody, it's a lame question.


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Do they know they are in the Matrix, and thus, that they can do whatever they want as long as they could 'free their mind'?


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They'd still be limited by the rules, which Neo isn't.


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I'm assuming someone with decent Telepathy skills would be able to use their mind to effect the digital world alot like Astral Battles


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The top 8 brains from Marvel and Lex Luthor, Mr Terrific, Bruce Wayne and the likes in DC


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^ I think willpower will have more to do with it than intelligence.

They'd have to truly believe that they could do anything.


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It doesn't matter how smart you are or how strong your willpower is, there are still rules that can't be broken.

Also telepathy does not exist within the Matrix so that's a moot point.


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It doesn't matter how smart you are or how strong your willpower is, there are still rules that can't be broken.

Also telepathy does not exist within the Matrix so that's a moot point.
What rules can't be broken?

The Matrix isn't real, they can do pretty much anything.


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The rules of the Matrix can be bent, not broken (except by Neo). That was kind of the whole point of the movies?


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Except these are characters outside of the Matrix universe, there's nothing saying they can't be like or better than Neo.

I understand the point of the movie; the point of the movie doesn't set the rules for what these characters can do.

Neo was a "regular" human being, these people are far from regular.


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I'm working under the assumption that someone who can stop time or fly or whatever outside of the Matrix would be unable to inside, because the rules wouldn't allow it.

The Matrix is all about the mind, so what would it matter what someone can physically do outside?


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Doom would win.

With his willpower, his knowlesdge and his unswerving belief that he is always right - I can see him being another One.

As for your question Cogito - I was under the impression that the central premise was that if you could free your mind, you could do the impossible - but there were certain 'truths' that no matter what you tried, you won't be able to do because at the back of your mind, a little voice would cause you to doubt. That's another reason why you were best freed when you were a kid

Now, if you come from a world where you've been flying pretty much your entire life, and you knew it was possible, it shouldn't be too hard to imagine that you could in the MAtrix.


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As I understand it, "freeing your mind" allows you to bend the rules (e.g. jump really far), but not outright break any rules (e.g. flying, stopping bullets)


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I'm working under the assumption that someone who can stop time or fly or whatever outside of the Matrix would be unable to inside, because the rules wouldn't allow it.

The Matrix is all about the mind, so what would it matter what someone can physically do outside?
You missed the point.

For instance, Doom easily resisted PM with his mind.

His mind/willpower is not normal in any stretch.


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You missed the point.

For instance, Doom easily resisted PM with his mind.

His mind/willpower is not normal in any stretch.


I don't understand how willpower is going to rewrite the code of the Matrix? confused


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'Be.'
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The same way everyone else's did in the movie...


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But in the movies only Neo broke the rules, because only he could...

You're just making shit up to push Doom.


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Everyone who had powers in the movie were breaking the rules, Neo just did it better.

I'm using Doom as an example, it doesn't even have to be about Doom, nice ad hominem.


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But in the movies only Neo broke the rules, because only he could...

You're just making shit up to push Doom.
Actually I thought Morpheus stated that there are some rules you can bend others you can break, implying everyone can break the rules to a degree only Neo had the built mechanisms that allowed him to do it with everything.


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