I haven't read Saint of Killers, but IIRC he killed God (who, as I understand it, was not on his throne and somehow therefore wasn't omnipotent or something).
Would he be able to one-shot each member of team 2?
Regardless of SoK, I think Voltron and GE are non-issues on Team 2. I'm guessing (loosely based on minimal appearances) that Fenris is probably more powerful than Nekron. Peak AM is unquestionably more powerful than Nekron in my mind, but I guess I'm undecided as to exactly how that plays out given what Nekron is.
Anyways, Team 1 wins I'd say
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Anyway, I'm going with team 1.
Fenris is the literal embodiment of ruin and destruction on a conceptual level.
SoK can kill any member(s) on team 2 with a single shot, imho.
Peak AM was a casual universe-buster, absorbed the power of an infinite amount of universes, and was more powerful than Corrigan-Spectre(amped).
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Destruction of the Endless stepped away from his duties/position a LONG time ago--he thought it best to let mortals govern their own destruction. However, I have long been of the opinion that Fenris essentially usurped that role when he came to power. Some of the statements made during Lucifer's series certainly paint that picture, imo...
But Destruction isn't just a guy who took that job, he literally is destruction, I don't see how someone could take over the job without killing him and becoming the new Destruction of the Endless
Destruction stepped away from those duties--he let mankind take over their own destruction. Apparently, if the Endless don't want the job, they don't have to keep it..? Dunno.
Regardless, Fenris was the literal concept of destruction at the time--extremely akin to Destruction of the Endless. /shrug
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I'd have to look. Pretty sure it was early on in the Sandman series.
It makes sense though. I mean, the responsibilities of the Endless can obviously be transferred to other beings (that's how/why Daniel became the new Dream after Morpheus died)--so Destruction may have simply transferred his 'duties' onto the mortal plane, so that they [mortals] could figure out their own destruction/end. No way to be 100% certain of the latter, but it makes sense.
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That's a lot of detail in what Destruction did,
are you speculating or are you explaining what happened?
Just wanna understand cause you're saying you're "pretty sure early on in the series,"
but you're also sayin "D may have simply ... " ... which sounds like a guess.
I just wanna know if the Endless can do that without dying in some way.
I'm in the process of reading the Sandman series, it's pretty incredible.
As of yet though, I haven't come across that issue.
It's shown during Brief Lives (the arc of the 6th or 7th trade of Sandman) that Destructive literally just left his position- he still has his power and everything, but the concept of destruction is no longer personified in the way that it was when he was active in his duties, and is purely "shapeless" as it were...
So yeah, the Endless are able to do it without dying.
Like I said, I wasn't 100% sure. That was just my opinion based on what I remembered of the issue. However, your questions made me go back and reread said issue. This is the meat and potatoes of what I found... (please log in to view the image)(please log in to view the image)
Destruction as a concept obviously still existed despite him abandoning his realm--he simply stopped directing any affairs over which he has control. As he says: destruction did not stop, it's just no longer his fault. He still embodies the concept, though. This is a great issue/story arc that describes the Endless in detail. I'd forgotten how awesome it is.
Anyway, that makes it hard to place Fenris. Perhaps he is an aspect of Destruction's totality..? Not really sure.
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Those scans are from Sandman #48, btw. I suggest reading the whole 'Brief Lives' arc, though.
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Thank you very much, awesome indeed.
So, he's like a rogue concept now, I would love to know if there are
stories revolving around him and his down to earth adventures,
I'm sure that would be very interesting considering how their making him think/reason.
Sok is a really cool character but i just cant take his story seriously. I mean the dude literally froze hell with hatred and killed God? Sheesh! If i do take his arc seriously, team 1 SHOULD win. Fenris, according to recent discussions may bery well be an embodiment of destruction and nekron one of the embodiment of death...i guess theoretically they are on the same level and should cancel each other. So its a ridiculously powerful cosmic weapon vs a ridiculously powerful cosmic character in anti-monitor? Leaving SOK to possibly chin check Voltron celestial. I think im gonna take the coward route out and say draw. (run out of the thread as tomatoes comes flying)
Fenris says hes the "god' of destruction, so my guess is thats what he is, a god . Destruction is not a god at all and is one of the Endless, so he should be above Fenris. I remember him creating things like art (though hes not to good at it), maybe now he is just being the opposite of what he used to be and creating things now, since he was the one who told Dream, the Endless have two sides like a coin and his other side creates. What do you think?
Yeah, he went rogue like 300 years prior--after spending 10 billion+ years fulfilling his role.
Sadly their aren't many stories that are centered around his adventures. Aside from the "Brief Lives" arc (Sandman #41-49), "Endless Nights" is another comic that has separate stories pertaining to each member of the Endless (Destruction included.) Destiny's 'story', however, is my personal favorite in that book.
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Jun 23rd, 2012 08:16 PM
, Vertigo and it's "God" are such a fxxking joke. 
