Pre-crisis Val was "a dozen times" more powerful than pre-crisis Superboy--the kid who effortlessly towed dozens of planets behind him for the lulz. In fact, Superboy's most powerful blows couldn't even faze Val (same with Mon-El, Ultraman, etc.)--Validus was literally able to one-shot all of them.
And while weakened, PC Val was able to withstand repeated attacks from a Sun-Eater (confirmed galaxy-busters at the time) before going on to defeat said Sun-Eater, via a barrage of physical strikes combined with his uber-hax-ability: mental lightning.
Validus is the top of the DC Brick-Pyramid. It would take an "Abstract" pulling a physical-power-focus, (a la Zeus vs Hulk), to defeat Validus in straight out battle.
Validus=Mangog's long lost brother.
Last edited by Horrificus on Jun 27th, 2012 at 03:59 AM
That would be my first question... How much TP resistance does Validus have? How about movement.. can he teleport.. flying or moving feats if any? I see no way for Validus to put Thanos down... not T.I. Thanos anyways... Punching Thanos to death doesn't see like a realistic option at all with T.I....shit I don't see him doing that to Normal Thanos.
Do you have any TP resistance feats please... We all have bias Galan don't try and soap box me.. I've seen your bias with Zoom.. I've recently seen it with Lucifer.. I've seen it with Monarch.. etc etc. Now, on to the debate... WHAT are Validus TP resistance feats...
Second, YES i have a hard time believing Validus could put Thanos down with Punches.. You can throw out all the hyperbole you want and it doesn't change a thing. THnk about it... Pre Kryptonian... can moves planets like basketballs... yet have some PISS POOR durability showings pre crisis... Yet somebody OMGZORS 12x stronger NEVER ONCE killed superboy or ANYBODY else for that matter with one punch. If you take the hyperbole to its logical end.. he shouldn't been able to kill each and every person he hit with one shot... Problem is HE DIDN'T, and that is where hyperbole comes in.
Further, yes I have a HARD time believing that Validus can hit harder than a CC blast.. you're damn right... Even a CC blast didn't KO Thanos let alone kill him. So, I guess you're saying Validus hits much harder than a CC blast eh? Got any evidence to back that up?
Lastly, lets say he could "kill" Thanos with punches with him fighting stupid... because we all know if he fought smart.. Validus wouldn't touch him... but lets say Thanos allowed this to happen and he beat him to death (which by the way Thanos has NEVER been KO'd via punches... this is taking shots from amped Thor with his hammer... taking shots from Magus WITH THE IG... shots from Tyrant and Odin.. etc etc.. NOTHING EVER KO'd him let alone killed him) but lets say he fought dumb and somethign happened that never has... Thanos would INSTANTLY reform.. then what? It's not a win... So what then... Thanos everntually outlast him no?
You mean when he was around drax.. who has stated numerous times on panel and via the writer.. has the DNA in him to land the killing blow... he is Thanos silver bullet... shit the writer even said Thanos's eternal powers like molecular control shut down when around drax... Yeah Validus is no drax and mind you.. this was a WEAKENED THANOS.
So you can make shit up too it seems. Drax isn't kryptonite for thanos. He gathered more power in the custody of GOTG from the time when starlord blasted him with CCU and upon revival was at full power so it wasn't a drastically weakened thanos.
You are so bitter. Not my fault you are incapable of forming a cohesive argument when you let personal bias get in the way of logic.
Anyway, abhi mentioned a TP resistance feat above--a feat that puts Val's mind WELL outside of Thanos' range to tamper with. However, I am still waiting to see an instance in which TI Thanos mindraped an opponent. Until I see said feat, it wouldn't be a viable option anyway.
This leads me to believe that you know NOTHING about Val, and are giving Thanos the win solely because of your love/bias for the character.
If you knew anything about Val, you'd know that he has the FEATS to back up every claim made about him. He has literally one-shotted every member of the PC LoSH... PC Superboy, Mon-El, Ultraman, etc. etc.
Energy blasts=/=physical strikes. Never has been the case. Superboy Prime, for instance, survived universe-busting energies at ground zero, relatively unscathed. However, he has been harmed by physical strikes from Connor. Get it?
Tanking a blast from a diminished CC, doesn't mean Thanos can just stand there and tank punches from a being who is 12x more powerful than a pre-crisis Kryptonian. I find that notion not only bias-fueled, but entirely laughable. You are applying a no limits fallacy onto TI Thanos. Was he ever KO'd? No. However, he was never punched by a character nearly as powerful as Val, either.
Additionally, Val also has mental lightning in his arsenal--of which he used (while weakened) to own a Sun-Eater (galaxy-busters at the time.)
Never said Val could kill him, but incapacitate him? Absolutely. As I said above, TI Thanos never fought a being remotely close to PC Val's strength level.
Last edited by Galan007 on Jun 27th, 2012 at 03:58 PM
Lets try this again since you don't seem to get a few things...
1. First Saturn Girl... what are her TP feats that but her conclusively above Thanos.
2. You didn't follow a basic sentence that I thought was clear as day. I don't care WHO he's one shot.. Thanos has ONE SHOT KILLED people as well... The point was SOMEBODY who was "suppose" to be 12x stronger than a pre kryptonian... SHOULD'VE one shot killed ANYBODY he hit. Period. Did he, no, never once that I've ever seen or remember. What does this mean... that statement could very will be hyperbole
3. You didn't answer the question... Do you believe Validus punches are STRONGER than a CC blast? To go further and what is even more laughable.. is Thanos just stading there taking punches from Validus... is that your wet dream on hos this fight would go and how Validus would win? Sorry, but Thanos isn't standing there if he chooses not to. You seem to forget.. Thanos NEVER has to exchange blows with Validus... What happens when Thanos fights like he has against surfer... teleports out of the way of his blasts and laughs at him.. What happens if he fights like this against Validus... blasts blast blast... teleport when he gtes close.. blast blast blast... Validus is a walking brick.. i.e. idiot... If Thanos fights smart Validus doesn't even lay a hand on him.. how does he counter this?
4. Thanos has NEVER.. I repeat... NEVER been KO'd via blunt force Trauma... Magus with the IG hiting Thanos (mind you he one shot killed somebody prior) DIDN'T even KO him let alone kill him. Do you believe Validus hits harder than Magus with the IG? Thor not holding back and with the PG landed MULTIPLE shots on Thanos and it didn't KO him let alone kill him.. Shit he even smiled at Thor. Odin... Tyrant.. all beings beyond Validus hit Thanos with blunt force and he wasn't even close to be KO'd let alone killed. Thanos blunt force trauma capacity is legendary and back up by on panel feats. So yes, I have a VERY hard time believing Validus would be the one to finally KO Thanos. By the way.. can I see any statement where I said blunt force and energy are the same to a person. Please provide the quote where I said it.. either that or concede I never did and you said that worthless statement for nothing.
5. You said he could incapacitate him.. you don't say.. a CC couldn't even do that.. it took a CC blast that didn't evne KO him to remove the block on his mind and stun him and THEN it took three of the strongest TP in Marvel to incapacitate him. So.. it took an extremely powerful blast out of Validus league and ability and 3 strong TP's to do so.. Yes I have a very hard time believing Validus could do that. Mind you that was ALSO A WEAKENED THANOS.. and it still took all that. This is full powered Thanos.. You do know the difference between weakened and full power right?
6. Question... do you think you have a bias towards Zoom or Monarch... since you seem to be saying how perposterous it's to have one... Pot meeet kettle?
Last edited by KuRuPT Thanosi on Jun 27th, 2012 at 04:23 PM
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