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Black Racer vs. FP Kuurth

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How does Black Racer hurt Kuurth?


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How does Black Racer hurt Kuurth?
laughing out loud this is getting beyond the joke


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laughing out loud this is getting beyond the joke


Well do you have an answer? I asked because I did not know.


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Well do you have an answer? I asked because I did not know.

This is actually a good question. I know very little about Black Racer too but he looks so badass (not the old design, the most recent one pre Flashpoint).

All I know about him is that took a punch in the face from Superman that cracked a moon and he didn't even flinch.


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Well Black Racer is a death god & iirc has some type of instant death touch or something like that.


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BUT he had his heart ripped out...

Yes, yes, context etc etc.


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This is actually a good question. I know very little about Black Racer too but he looks so badass (not the old design, the most recent one pre Flashpoint).

All I know about him is that took a punch in the face from Superman that cracked a moon and he didn't even flinch.


Superman is not magical, Black Racer may not have been able to stand there if Captain Marvel was the puncher, or Kuurth.


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Well Black Racer is a death god & iirc has some type of instant death touch or something like that.


Kuurth is immune to aging, he neither needs to eat, sleep, or breathe. And that's without the Serpent.


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Superman is not magical, Black Racer may not have been able to stand there if Captain Marvel was the puncher, or Kuurth.

BR is vulnerable to magic? Where was this stated on panel?


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BR is vulnerable to magic? Where was this stated on panel? [/B]



His heart was pulled out by what appeared to be metaphysical forces, supported by the idea of the Source. Metaphysics is just another way of saying mystical, or spiritual right? Superman's inability to affect him with a nice punch may have been due to his physical state. On panel Billy has hurt guys that Superman could not put down, or even effect, just like with the BR..


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BR was ultimately killed by having his soul ripped out of him. Not sure if Kuurth can do the same - otherwise, we might as well say every mystical character can do it.

Constantine vs BR, anyone? :-p


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To say that Kuurth is capable of doing anything that Infinity Man empowered by the Source did is a laughable notion


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To say that Kuurth is capable of doing anything that Infinity Man empowered by the Source did is a laughable notion

Well well well. Seems like Team Kuurth left out that little bit of information. BR ftw!


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Well well well. Seems like Team Kuurth left out that little bit of information. BR ftw!


Some people find it convenient to leave out the facts.


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First of all I was just going off of a D&D fictional law. There are characters in the D&D universe, and other RPG type games that can not be hit, or hurt by anything outside of a magical blade, or silver, iron, Captain Marvel/Teth Adams fists,,, etc...

Superman has displayed a weakness to Magic, and yet is highly resistant to anything that is not. Black Racer may be as well, because he is after all a magical being. This may be why Superman's punch did not faze him. In some fictional books the Black Racer would be considered an extra planar being. My point is that Kuurth may not be the particular magic that scores double damage on BR, but it does not mean that his hits would be ignores, because is is also an extra planar, or magical being.

Let's not pretend that this has not been adopted by comics writers. Colossus hurt the Adversary due to his body, but I doubt that Superman would have any effect, but I bet Thor would.

Using Superman as some form of proof that BR would not be affected by Kuurth's punches seems like a less than thorough way of looking at things. Kuurth may one shot him for all anyone knows. He's certainly stronger. I'm still wondering what BR could do to hurt Kuurth?


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^ You're using D&D logic -- seriously?

The idea that magic is some sort of kryptonite to BR is nothing short of ridiculous. There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim, so I don't know why anyone would take it seriously.

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Using Superman as some form of proof that BR would not be affected by Kuurth's punches seems like a less than thorough way of looking at things. Kuurth may one shot him for all anyone knows. He's certainly stronger.


Who's certainly stronger? Kuurth is stronger than Superman? Not based on feats. Not at all.

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I'm still wondering what BR could do to hurt Kuurth?

He's a death god. His touch kills. He deflected Superman's best punch like it was nothing (which is a superior durability feat to anything Kuurth took), and in the process stunned? KO'd? (can't remember) Superman (which is a greater feat than anything Kuurth has).


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First of all I was just going off of a D&D fictional law.

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He's a death god. His touch kills. He deflected Superman's best punch like it was nothing (which is a superior durability feat to anything Kuurth took), and in the process stunned? KO'd? (can't remember) Superman (which is a greater feat than anything Kuurth has).

Yup. Superman hit BR so hard, a freaking moon CRACKED, and BR didn't even flinch. Kuurth never went up against an attack of that level.

And Death God? According to that Captain Atom issue he's an actual Death Abstract, was that ever retconned?


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^ You're using D&D logic -- seriously?

The idea that magic is some sort of kryptonite to BR is nothing short of ridiculous. There is absolutely no evidence to support your claim, so I don't know why anyone would take it seriously.



Who's certainly stronger? Kuurth is stronger than Superman? Not based on feats. Not at all.


He's a death god. His touch kills. He deflected Superman's best punch like it was nothing (which is a superior durability feat to anything Kuurth took), and in the process stunned? KO'd? (can't remember) Superman (which is a greater feat than anything Kuurth has).



You see the problem with you is that you dismiss things without fully comprehending, or you comprehend but are too set in your mind to automatically disagree with me. I bet you didn't even understand my point lol. You do realize that what i said has occurred many times in comics. Comic writers have adopted the D&D laws in many cases that involve mystical, magical, or spiritual beings.

1. Many can not be hit by anything other than a certain material (Kurse).

2. The Adversary was able to all but resist without feeling any and every power that the X-Men had in their tank, but it was Colossus' steel form that hurt him.

I am not saying that Kuurth was his silver bullet, (you should reread what I wrote seriously) Not going to explain this til I'm blue in the face, you got it I know you did. You saying BR wins this because he is so and so, and of this and that, just doesn't cut it. How does he hurt Kuurth? There is more evidence pointing to Kuurth not being hurt that its not funny.

Cain as the Juggernaut is immortal, and can not die, as long as he is enchanted.

Like I said before, using Superman as the yard stick, does not work here. Kal is not a magical being. Kuurth on the other hand is saturated with magic, and would likely bust Superman's face due to his magical nature. Billy can do it, why can't another magical being do it. My ideas are not unfounded, go away with that noise bro.


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You see the problem with you is that you dismiss things without fully comprehending, or you comprehend but are too set in your mind to automatically disagree with me. I bet you didn't even understand my point lol. You do realize that what i said has occurred many times in comics. Comic writers have adopted the D&D laws in many cases that involve mystical, magical, or spiritual beings.

1. Many can not be hit by anything other than a certain material (Kurse).

2. The Adversary was able to all but resist without feeling any and every power that the X-Men had in their tank, but it was Colossus' steel form that hurt him.

I am not saying that Kuurth was his silver bullet, (you should reread what I wrote seriously) Not going to explain this til I'm blue in the face, you got it I know you did. You saying BR wins this because he is so and so, and of this and that, just doesn't cut it. How does he hurt Kuurth? There is more evidence pointing to Kuurth not being hurt that its not funny.

Cain as the Juggernaut is immortal, and can not die, as long as he is enchanted.

Like I said before, using Superman as the yard stick, does not work here. Kal is not a magical being. Kuurth on the other hand is saturated with magic, and would likely bust Superman's face due to his magical nature. Billy can do it, why can't another magical being do it. My ideas are not unfounded, go away with that noise bro.

Dude, NO ONE Kuurth fought hit him with the force Superman hit BR with. For sure Kuurth isn't killing or BFRing BR. The best you can hope for is an endless stalemate and even that's reaching. BR is a Death Avatar.


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Dude, NO ONE Kuurth fought hit him with the force Superman hit BR with. For sure Kuurth isn't killing or BFRing BR. The best you can hope for is an endless stalemate and even that's reaching. BR is a Death Avatar.



Titles as a trump card? Come on man. What i am saying is that because Superman is not extra-planar (magical), his blows could not affect BR, but there is no proof that a punch from a magical being could not affect him. Superman is not the yard stick, I can go with the eternal stalemate. Kuurth has lots of implied feats on his side as well.


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