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Beta Ray Bill in a fist fight against Thing, 80s Wonder Man, & Ms Marvel(Danvers)

Can he defeat these three?


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Wonder Man, aka Simon Williams.



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Wonder Man solos.


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How would Wonder Man defeat Beta Ray Bill alone?


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How would Wonder Man defeat Beta Ray Bill alone?


Wonder Man went toe to toe with Count Nefaria who was strong enough to take on the Avengers solo. He also had no problem with Thor who is a great h2h combatant.

You restricted it to the 80's so I'm not sure but there is a fight where Thor is pushed to the limit by Simon and has to charge Mjolnir up to capacity for a final strike.

Simon is stronger and more durable and would win in the absence of Stormbreaker.


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But Wonder Man Iron Man Sub-Mariner Hercules had trouble with Hulk.


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But Wonder Man Iron Man Sub-Mariner Hercules had trouble with Hulk.


I have that Byrne issue but later on in his own series Simon goes toe to toe with the Hulk and basically draws. He did well against the Abomination too.


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Sounds like he had some ups and downs because I know he lost to Hyperion badly and to Gladiator


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no way does brb beat these three in a fist fight. he can probably two-shot thing initially, but wonder man and ms. marvel beat him down.

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no way does brb beat these three in a fist fight. he can probably two-shot thing initially, but wonder man and ms. marvel beat him down.




confused

Ben has gone multiple rounds with The Champion, has beaten HULK a handful of times, beat Namor, Bi-Beast, Wonderman, The Wrecker, Sasquatch, stalemated Hercules, Colossolnaut etc...

But, he's going to get 2 shot by a non hammer wielding BRB?

Don't think so.


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Bill shoves a telephone pole up things butt and weilds a new hammer


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Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Wonder Man went toe to toe with Count Nefaria who was strong enough to take on the Avengers solo. He also had no problem with Thor who is a great h2h combatant.

You restricted it to the 80's so I'm not sure but there is a fight where Thor is pushed to the limit by Simon and has to charge Mjolnir up to capacity for a final strike.

Simon is stronger and more durable and would win in the absence of Stormbreaker.


Check your facts.

This is just pathetic.

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confused

Ben has gone multiple rounds with The Champion, has beaten HULK a handful of times, beat Namor, Bi-Beast, Wonderman, The Wrecker, Sasquatch, stalemated Hercules, Colossolnaut etc...

But, he's going to get 2 shot by a non hammer wielding BRB?

Don't think so.

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Check your facts.

This is just pathetic.

Englehart's wonder man was stronger than thor.


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He did a few mediocre WCA comics in the late 80s.

I think we can do without.

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Check your facts.

This is just pathetic.


You need to check your facts.

Everything I stated was accurate.

If you extend it beyond the 80's Simon knocked out Namor and was matching Thor with ease.


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You need to check your facts.

Everything I stated was accurate.

If you extend it beyond the 80's Simon knocked out Namor and was matching Thor with ease.


Thor's one-shotted Namor no problem, big deal, who hasn't.

Wonder Man could barely lift the weights Thor use for working out and the only incident where he actually came close to matching Thor was a PIS-ridden shit-storm, where he STILL LOST.

And even if, by some miracle, he could actually match Thor's strength, he still wouldn't COME CLOSE to matching Beta Ray Bill's durability.

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Thor's one-shotted Namor no problem, big deal, who hasn't.

Wonder Man could barely lift the weights Thor use for working out and the only incident where he actually came close to matching Thor was a PIS-ridden shit-storm, where he STILL LOST.

And even if, by some miracle, he could actually match Thor's strength, he still wouldn't COME CLOSE to matching Beta Ray Bill's durability.

Thor didn't oneshot namor, he knocked namor down who got up fine on the next page and that was a weakening namor which both namor and thor noted. Namor also sent BRB on his ass with a similar punch for nearly the same amount of time in Thor Corps and that was a younger, weaker namor. FWIW simon didn't oneshot namor too, it was a suckershot.

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That was a weaker simon, later he was stalemating merged hulk in a slugfest just fine.

Actually the peak wonder man was a bit better than thor in terms of cutting durability. BRB wouldn't be better than him in blunt force durability by much.


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Thor's one-shotted Namor no problem, big deal, who hasn't.

Wonder Man could barely lift the weights Thor use for working out and the only incident where he actually came close to matching Thor was a PIS-ridden shit-storm, where he STILL LOST.

And even if, by some miracle, he could actually match Thor's strength, he still wouldn't COME CLOSE to matching Beta Ray Bill's durability.


Your opinion of the aforementioned events doesn't negate their being canon. Your previous statement implied I was mistaken about what I was citing in reference to Wonder Man.


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Brooklyn, look up PIS in the rules.

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Thor didn't oneshot namor, he knocked namor down who got up fine on the next page and that was a weakening namor which both namor and thor noted. Namor also sent BRB on his ass with a similar punch for nearly the same amount of time in Thor Corps and that was a younger, weaker namor. FWIW simon didn't oneshot namor too, it was a suckershot.

That was a weaker simon, later he was stalemating merged hulk in a slugfest just fine.

Actually the peak wonder man was a bit better than thor in terms of cutting durability. BRB wouldn't be better than him in blunt force durability by much.


Namor was as much out as he was against Wonder Man, and that's all I needed. My point was that it was no great feat.

Wonder Man never fought the Hulk over time.

And it's a good thing this is a fistfight and not a knife-fight then!

And BRB is better than him when it comes to blunt force durability. So yeah....there's that. Bill has just taken so much more punishment than Wonder Man.

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