Umm, brutal seems to have the magic weakness, so if thor and bill take him out fast they would have a chance against ulty.
so i'd say tteam marvel should win 6/10
What magic weakness? Not to say he doesn't have one, but just because he said that doesn't mean he would go down with lightning strikes or spells. Ultraman tanked some magic attacks recently/.
Brutale took out Dr Fate for fear of his magic it was primitive strike which was smart; Hammer bros would wreck havoc against Brutale since the hammer alone are enchanted by the odin force.
It's all but outright said that Brutaal has a magic weakness.
Mr Terrific: "On my world, the only thing he's vulnerable to is Kryptonite..."
Dr. Fate: "Magic"
Sloan: "He's right" (referring to Dr. Fate)
Flash: "Can you stop him Khalid?"
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Combined with the prior scans, where Brutaal was using his super-hearing to listen to their conversation and then immediately took out Fate while obviously annoyed by the idea of magic, obviously indicates that magic would have some effect.
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I'm not sure which team to go with here. I have a question though, since Ultraman is basically the opposite of Superman (he's evil, gains strength from Kryptonite, and is weakened by yellow sunlight) would that mean that he gains strength from being hit by magical attacks(maybe that would explain why he went from being Black Adam's equal to curbstomping Adam after being hit by that bolt of lightning)?
It's pretty clear that Brutale has some degree of magic weakness; however, the extent of this vulnerability has not been shown. There is no writer consensus on the magic weakness: sometimes it is extreme, and sometimes minor. In addition, I would say that on the whole, when Superman has been shown weak to magic, he has been more vulnerable to actual sorcery than raw, divine magic like lightning charged fists, etc. Of course that is just a feeling I have gotten, and it is impossible to substantiate.
In addition, we have no way of knowing if Ultraman's tanking of magic lightning means that Ultraman lacks Superman's magic weakness, or if this is just one writer's take on the general magic vulnerability of Supermen. I imagine it is the latter, and so Ultraman might well prove more vulnerable to magic under a different writer.
In the same vein, without more information, it is hard to know if Ultraman is somehow more powerful than Superman typically is, or if this is just one writer's take on Superman's potential. It is important to remember the dynamic power element which is somewhat fundamental to Superman's character. What Ultraman did to Black Adam is in no way outside the range of power showings for Superman himself. So this means that unless there is some explicit difference between him and SM that is later shown, this beating of Adam also represents just one writer's take on Ultraman or Superman's power. In a different book, he might seem much less powerful--an inconsistency in power level that is typical of Superman portrayals in general. The same applies to Brutale, but with the important caveat that Brutale has clearly been modified in some way. He is NOT using standard heat vision. It MAY be that Brutale is explicitly more powerful than a standard, bloodlusted Superman.
That means there are two ways to look at this fight. In the first, we assume that UM and Brutale are somehow explicitly different than Superman when it comes to power levels, and that these last two showings are in effect their standard levels, and thus you cannot average them out with any Superman showings. In this case, even with a magic weakness, it seems to be that on average Thor and BRB get trounced. And handily. They are, in my opinion, Black Adam level, and Ultraman might well have been able to handle two of him alone.
On the other hand, if it turns out that Ultraman and Brutale are essentially the same character as Superman when it comes to powers, things get more complicated. One might see their two showings as just high-level Superman portrayals (of which Superman proper already has plenty), and postulate that in the future the two characters would have showings more akin to Superman's average. In which case, the battle in question, were it to happen in the future, might be closer. Nevertheless, as I feel Superman does beat Thor 1 on 1, I still think the Supermen win, but not so decisively.
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