Rank these character, and Which Caracter is above multiversal?
Anti-Monitor (the one Spectre fought at the dawn of time)
Parallax (Zero Hour)
Mr Mxyzptlk
Lucifer Morningstar
Mandrakk(Dax Novu)
Krona (Entropy)
Cosmic Armor Superman
Living Tribunal
Eternity (Multi eternity)
Wanda (HoM)
Mad Jim Jaspers
Emperor Joker
Chaos King
Abraxas
Dominus
Anti-Monitor's feats were much less ambiguous than many of the others. I tend to think he's higher than most people do.
I can't comment on many of these. There's only a few I could reliably rank near the bottom. The top is a mess, and it's likely you won't get a consensus top 5 from responses.
Smh. I didn't say Anti-monitor was above Mxy. Again, I never said a single word about Mxy. All I said was, I have AM higher than some others on the forum do, because many of the others have feats that are harder to interpret.
They're basically all multiversal, and I don't recognize "above multiversal" as being a thing.
A ranking will cause a shitstorm, so I'll just make a few general comments instead about how I would rank them if I were going to do so, which I won't.
1. Feats > Statements
2. Ambiguous feats and the like > Statements
3. Time and ease of performing feats is relevant. e.g. ZH Parallax was causing universal creation/destruction, but with far from snap of the fingers ease. That knocks him down quite a bit.
4. Control of powers is also relevant. e.g. HoM Wanda or Emperor Joker were not in control to the extent of other players here.
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There are realities/multiverses beyond the mainstream one, and there are individuals who affected/have influence over them, making them "above multiversal".
It's semantics. There's a case to be made that all power of those involved can be classified as some level of multiversal.
Some decent points. My mind went to a similar point about EJ when I first saw the list, and it's true of Wanda like you said. Even if they possess the same level of power as some of the others, to say they'd display that power as reliably as the others is another matter entirely.
Except that Marvel (in many cases) clearly differentiates between a multiverse and the omniverse. Take this for example from a new exiles letter pages:
We've never really seen multiple multiverses in Marvel, afaik, except for when the LT was supposedly holding two megaverses in his hands. Not even when Thanos had the HOTU. There's been mention of omniversal powers and potential, but that just goes back to my first and second points.
As far as I'm concerned, until we really see it, I'm just going to pretend like it doesn't exist. Sometimes writers want to throw around big words, but I just don't buy it until they back it up with something remotely concrete.
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"And then there was nothing. A once broken something now void.
And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
I like the Mxy feat as much as anybody .. the problem is.. it was in a world's funniest comic.. we all know those are meant to be funny an a joke.. most times they aren't even canon to the mainstream multiverse. I like the feat.. I just think people take a comic meant to be funny a little too literally.
Btw, There are multiple titles which take place in New Universe. I can name them if you want.
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Have you heard of the Avengers/Ultraforce crossover? Where do you think the Ultraforce comes from? It's a separate multiverse called the Ultraverse .
It was never referred to as such on panel, but we know for a fact that it's a reality outside the mainstream multiverse, and a 2007 handbook clarifies that it's a multiverse:
Where do you think Earth-Shadowline comes from? You guessed it, it's a separate reality outside the multiverse. It's a reality with no gods (unlike the mainstream Marvel multiverse), it's mostly filled with Shadow-Dwellers. Here's the scan from Dr Zero #1 (a title which is centered on Earth-Shadowline, which bears no relations whatsoever to the mainstream multiverse):
Where do you think Trasnformers-reality (pertaining Marvel) takes place? Yup, it's a separate multiverse.
See, Marvunapp puts Transformers outside the mainstream multiverse (inside the megaverse, beside realities such as Earth-Shadowline) because it has a different hierarchy (different cosmic characters which have their own creation story):
Want me to continue? Coz believe me, i could go on and on. That should be enough though.....no?
So not only have we actually seen other multiverses, but there are entire titles centered in those other multiverses.
Of course, while reading those titles you won't see something like "in that other multiverse" because those titles are centered in that other mutiverse. That's like having an Avengers comic saying "Oh hey, we're in a multiverse which is separate from that of the 'New Universe' or 'Earth-Shadowline', etc.. etc..."
How often do you see something like that? .... You don't.
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Feb 7th, 2014 12:59 PM
Coz believe me, i could go on and on. That should be enough though.....no?
