GR brings the second most to the fight besides Strange. Soul searing hellfire. Unlimited regen via Hellfire. Cannot be harmed by non magical attacks. BFR foes to hell. Can summon other Spirits of Vengeance in a fight. Stats enough to beat Hell Lords in their own realms.
Beside Strange, GR is the next best here.
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Spectre's own "penance stare" could not harm Darkseid even though it was powerful enough to cast even Classic Dr Fate through infinite realms. Hell fire and penance stare simply wont work because as stated when Spectre tried it he was "needed". Nothing can destroy DS because of that. BFR or containment are the only options.
DS himself can't be destroyed only captured in the source wall. and has himself with omega effect destroyed so called indestructible things. Hell wouldn't hold DS even his minions who have impersonated him like Desaad have dictated terms to beings of power greater than hell Lords in their own realms.
Cadence you know me, my penchant is for magical and demon based characters from both the DCU and MU. I'm fully well aware of what the spirit's of vengeance can do, it's just not a determining factor against DS. Strange a Surfer are the winners with hulk being the major distraction as his regen and physical stats will just keep DS busy while the other tow contain him.
Basically, this.
Did DCnu DS already get an upgrade? Because in his first appearance a novice JLA did land blows on him, and it was far from a stomp.
This Defenders team has experience and a power set that JLA didnt, with GR, Surfer and Strange.
Add Hulk and Namor on the physical end of the spectrum, and DS is losing more often than not.
Some things I think I can point out here. The Penance Stare does not work the same way as your describing. it works by causing anyone with a soul to feel the pain of their victims that had been harm by you. This could be a villain you punch, or world your tortured and killed. Either way unless DS does not have a soul per say (does he?) I see no reason it cannot work to some degree on him.
Blackheart states it lets the mind relive all the misdeeds it committed at once. Most people think this wording means they simply see bad things which is crap
Blade absorbs the spirit of vengeance, and his hit with the PS as well. Blade, a good guy! How does the PS work here? Its states "Burns away at the fiber of Blades being" and "Countless others who have felt the pain they inflicted, no different, but a hundredfold more severe" and "every cell in his body explodes with the pain he has inflicted on recent victims" and "He relieves their deaths a thousand times in a space of a micro second"
So what does this mean? It means DS very being will be wracked in unbelievable agony. now unless DS has no soul, he will be feeling the PS for sure.
Then their is the argument of how DS can deal with GR? How is he going to harm a being immune to non magical damage?
Also GR has the ability to BFR DS or return from any BFR from the Omega Beams.
Here Alejandra teleports herself and others through a Hellfire portal.
So DS can very well be BFRed himself and to hell. As for DS BFRing GR back in time, not a full proof plan either. These two GRs traveled back in time to change future events with their HEllfire power.
Caleb summons Spirit of Vengeance to deal with this poor schmuck, even shows on panel power enough to turn that little hell planet into a hell like super nova by art
Like Alejandra did here combining Red Hulk and venom with herself against Hell Lord Blackheart.
Recently in the Uncanny Avengers, Ghost Rider took on Thor, Wanda, Strange, Manthing, and the rest of the avengers by himself and did not lose that fight either.
So why is Silver Surfer above GR in any way possible? I honestly rate GR over prep less Classic Strange.
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First thing I want to say is the planet destruction happened off panel. Appears the Omega could have done it. Are you implying Hulk can't destroy a planet?
Also, lol, Hulk has withstood planetary attacks on more than one occasions. Hell, he has endured attacks that can push planets out of orbit.
Like I've stated...Hulk is stronger, faster, and more durable.
And looking at your scan, it appears the planet was behind them.
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