Composite for both. He-Man gets his power vest and Sword of Power. Fight is in New York City. Combatants start a reasonable distance apart; maybe half a mile.
Astute forum members will realize that I may have a horse in this race, but that isn't quite so! I fought leo in a BZ with these characters because we both knew a lot about our respective fan crushes. But I didn't take the fight because I knew I could win. I just thought it would be fun (and it was). And, perhaps more than any BZ/tourney match I've been in involved in, I'm still not sure that it's a clear He-Man win. I do think he wins, but I don't think it's a definitive win, and Leo did a lot to increase my respect for the lizard.
It's as thorough a debate as you'll find on these two.
As I see it, He-Man has plot device strength, and to a lesser extent plot device "other" powers as well. The Sword of Power is also unassailable as a weapon capable of dishing it out to any herald. But he does have notably lower durability feats than GZ, who is an absolute tank of tanks. GZ's AoE attacks, and NOT just his breath but also his omni-directional energy blasts, I saw as his primary edge against He-Man. They were the one thing I never really countered in the fight, relying on He-Man's speed to avoid the breath (another edge, though to what extent remains up to interpretation). I considered it somewhat lucky that no judge specifically called me out for not having an answer to the omni-directional energy attack. I'm not sure GZ could chain that attack, and I don't think just one would kill He-Man, and we also have to consider that GZ would be getting attacked through it, but it remains a consideration for me.
So HM has offense and speed, GZ has durability and AoE. That's an oversimplification, but also not a horrible synopsis of advantages.
I'm usually not one to do this sort of thing. That's what the BZ is for. But this is the rare instance where the BZ made me LESS certain of a particular opinion, so I wanted to put it to the forum. Our excellent judges weighed in after the BZ was over, but it whetted my appetite for others to voice their opinion. Have at it.
Over and above this is the core argument. one can tank attacks like no joke, and the other can dish it out. A spear that can stab through anything meets a impenetrable shield.
With that said, I think Composite GZ takes it after reading a few of the IDW titles. BTW those IDW titles are insane awesome . Glad to have read them, I only wish I could find the Manga's now.
Personally I think when using feats from Heisei Movies, Legendary Movie, Marvel Comics, IDW Comics, and the Millennium Movies is all that is needed to argue a composite GZ. Only good showings from Showa was the flight, martial arts, and breathing in space feats.
Now while He Man has some great strength and sword damage output, I just cannot see his attacks breaking through GZ raw durability to the point where GZ cannot heal or even out right survive any slash attack. I think He Man's best feats were pushing around small moons, and I mean small Mountain size moons. GZ however easy withstood Black Holes a few times, and a continent busting attack in the Legendary series. He withstood a 14 Megaton Nuke as well normal Megaton nukes in the comics. Then we have to include the massive Regen GZ has shown vs Cellular and Molecular attacks.
GZ strength has shown to nearly matched Hercules and Classic Thor in Marvel Comics. A Editor note had GZ one shotting Savage Hulk with a foot stomp too. So GZ strength by Marvel feats is no joke, GZ also shown to lift beings in the 100,000 to 200,000 ton category pretty handily in Heisei. He even slammed Battara with so much force underwater to cause a volcanic quake. Thats impressive considering the water reducing the speed and momentum of any attack. So to think He Man is overpowering GZ easy could be argued as well IMO.
Then we have the range advantage of GZ. The Radiation attack sometimes called a Heat Beam is nuclear fire temperature attack of pure lethal radiation. I just do not see He Man withstanding that kind of attack. The Spiral Beam is a instant win for GZ as it has killed beings that withstand Black Holes easy. It also has concussive force to it too. Enough to send a 90,000+ ton monster flying into space in seconds. It even one shot Mechagodzilla 2 with a blast. this is impressive as Mecha G 2 was designed to withstand the Heat beam and absorb it. Spiral Ray slagged him in one blast. The Spiral Beam is a instant Game changer if GZ decides to use it. It also moves at massively hyper sonic speeds. The beam showed the ability to travel into orbit in less than 2-3 seconds. So I do not see He Man dodging it either.
Then we have the many other cool abilities like Nuclear Pulse, or the fact GZ has shown to generate insane heat from his body in a wide area. Or even the Magnetic properties GZ shown in Showa once too. Disarm He Man of his weapon? Possible I think unless it did have resistance to magnetics.
Anyway GZ should win overall with his blunt, but powerful attacks as well his insane tanking ability.
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Highest feats? I read the BZ and saw nothing destructive wise to match the Spiral Ray (as I know it) as far as offensive abilities, and defensive wise GZ has the highest feats by far.
Even He Man's best feats of strength were not that impressive to me. Example, the moon pushing. The shape and roundness of the moons to He Man body makes it seem by art that moon is no bigger than a large mountain. Its nothing size wise strikes me to close to say our moon. Pushing the Mountain is awesome too. But its not that big of a strength gap when Marvel GZ caused Hercules (same guy who lift Manhattan in one feat) to strain to lift just GZ foot coming down. Classic Thor was stated to be in a equal match of raw strength with Marvel GZ. Editor himself had a picture if Savage Hulk being stepped on by GZ. So nowhere is there a huge strength gap with Marvel GZ feats in consideration to me.
Also nothing about He Man's sword shows it can absorb Radiation. He Absorb Solar Energy, like any man made solar panel can. Its Absorb Electricity like any man made lightning rod can. Big deal. Show me it absorbing heat and radiation. Then we can talk on that. Otherwise its blind assumption. There was so much boasting of the swords power, but so little of it shown. Buffy the Vampire Slayer had the most powerful stated magical weapon in the universe. The Slayer Scythe. Guess what? Its not killing GZ. Feats > to unsupported claims.
There was a Argument of the sword piercing GZ. Again so what? The Regen feats of GZ are proven on the Cellular and Molecular level. Oxygen Destroyer is a attack that removes the element of Oxygen from anything. This means it attacks on the molecular scale by destroying any living tissue that needs oxygen. IDW GZ tanks this attack in Half Century War, and Heisei GZ tanked multiple attacks of this stuff in his fight vs Destroyer while having a inner body melt down to boot. Heisei also tanked this attack when he survived it at the beginning of Godzilla Returns.
Add to this many feats of GZ instant healing holes, stabs, and such in his body in seconds. Heck, He Man's sword has the disadvantage too of doing as much stabbing damage to GZ as a ant with a sharp half inch blade can to me. GZ body mass is too much to cut through for that little sword.
Also in no way did I see He Man withstanding radiation or heat that burn hot enough to melt Diamonds. GZ Heat Beam has melted Synthetic Diamonds. His Spiral Ray Beam has one shot monsters who can withstand... oh I said this several times. In no way is He Man tanking that. He has no feats of durability to come close to that damage output.
So in short all He Man has for him is Speed, and Strength. Since GZ can withstand blows more powerful than He Man has dished out, as well the ability to fly back from being thrown in space, I see Strength as pointless. So He Man runs around until he is nailed by a Nuclear Pulse or a Heat Beam. That is the conclusion from the BZ of Digi to what I would argue for GZ.
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Last edited by CadenceV2 on Sep 17th, 2014 at 07:41 AM
It's a cartoon from the 80s. The 80s don't give a **** about your proportional sensibilities and adherence to logic in general.
And as mentioned, it was just an oversight that I didn't use that particular video. Remembering everything about a character is hard. There's actually a refutation to it - the snake monster whupped He-Man up and down in their previous encounter - but it's still very relevant to this fight.
Optimus Prime was once depicted as transforming, with trailer attached, and driving several hundred meters, in a human sized hallway within a small laboratory.
If it was not for half his healing feats, it could end him, but if it does not then I can see GZ recover from it.
But that's if GZ lets him get in the mouth, he can easy repel He Man with Nuclear Pulses or just heat beam him at point blank. Many versions of GZ are very intelegent.
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Sep 17th, 2014 05:18 AM
. Glad to have read them, I only wish I could find the Manga's now. 
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