KMC Forums - Darkseid (Soul Fire) vs Ivory King

Home » Comic Book Forums » Comic Book 'Versus' Forum » Darkseid (Soul Fire) vs Ivory King

Darkseid (Soul Fire) vs Ivory King
Started by: "Id"

Forum Jump:

Last Thread Next Thread

Author

Thread

"Id"
The Man of Tomorrow

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Diablo Corps

Darkseid (Soul Fire) vs Ivory King

Darkseid (Soul Fire)

VS

Ivory King (Beyonder)

__________________

Mar 3rd, 2015 07:52 PM

Click here to Send "Id" a Private Message

Prof. T.C McAbe
Kryptonian Scientist

Gender: Male
Location: BatCave

Ivory Kings with ease imo

__________________

Sig made by my mate, the one and only One_Angry_Scot

Mar 3rd, 2015 07:59 PM

Click here to Send Prof. T.C McAbe a Private Message

operator616
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: BTAS

Id generally say that the source is above Beyonders' level; but Starlin's depiction of the source was quite different from its previous showings, so Darkseid beating it isn't as much as impressive. A Beyonder would probably win in this case.

Mar 3rd, 2015 08:04 PM

Click here to Send operator616 a Private Message

Senor Cage
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

Bump for Op! Is the Source and Presence the same thing? If Darkseid DID defeat the Source, why would he lose?

Mar 7th, 2015 07:44 PM

Click here to Send Senor Cage a Private Message

Board Walker
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by operator616
Id generally say that the source is above Beyonders' level; but Starlin's depiction of the source was quite different from its previous showings, so Darkseid beating it isn't as much as impressive. A Beyonder would probably win in this case.

Have to take into account all of the Source's showings, pre SF saga or not due to the fact that the Source was never rebooted.

__________________

Mar 7th, 2015 07:46 PM

Click here to Send Board Walker a Private Message

operator616
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: BTAS

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Golgo13
Bump for Op! Is the Source and Presence the same thing? If Darkseid DID defeat the Source, why would he lose?

Yes.

Because Starlin's source is not exactly what id call a supreme-level entity considering it got split by 3 skyfather level beings (these same 3 gods iirc couldn't even get near a damaged Source back in Genesis....). Which is why DS beating it doesn't automatically put him above a Beyonder.

It's still extremely impressive though.

Mar 7th, 2015 10:08 PM

Galan007
|Quantum Observer|

Gender: Male
Location: Mars, 1985

Definitely a Beyonder.

__________________

|Mxy|

Mar 7th, 2015 10:38 PM

Click here to Send Galan007 a Private Message

DeusExMachina
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United Kingdom

This is getting waay too confusing, if the source was hinted at being the presence or atleast the power of the presence, how did darkseid with the soulfire beat it?

Mar 8th, 2015 12:29 AM

Click here to Send DeusExMachina a Private Message

Board Walker
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by VastoLord1234
This is getting waay too confusing, if the source was hinted at being the presence or atleast the power of the presence, how did darkseid with the soulfire beat it?

simply put Darkseid was commanding the full power of the presence, omniversal power was his. The presence was teaching darkseid a lesson, that was the entire point of the entire story. It was for the presence to show and help darkseid understand its purpose in creating the DC story/comics. That no matter what darkseid did it was all part of the presence's plan, that darkseid was an inherent conceptual cornerstone in the DC story.

__________________

Mar 8th, 2015 01:36 AM

One Big Mob
Dead

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Rising up

I'm pretty sure. Quite sure that everything you stated was 100 percent made up.

__________________

Join here, talk to me. All welcome. Come to me little Carver.

Mar 8th, 2015 01:47 AM

Click here to Send One Big Mob a Private Message

operator616
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: BTAS

quote: (post)
Originally posted by VastoLord1234
This is getting waay too confusing, if the source was hinted at being the presence or atleast the power of the presence, how did darkseid with the soulfire beat it?

Because Starlin (the writer of the story) didn't take this into account. Just another day in the history of comics.

That, or you can go with BW's story. He always seems to have......a unique interpretation of comic events.

Mar 8th, 2015 01:50 AM

Board Walker
Senior Member

Gender: Unspecified
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I'm pretty sure. Quite sure that everything you stated was 100 percent made up.

The entire second fight that sf darkseid had with the source, was about the source monologuing darkseid over the plan. Darkseid thought he was above anyones manipulation and control, and didnt realize until the end that everything he was doing including his possession of the presence's power was all planned.

__________________

Mar 8th, 2015 01:51 AM

One Big Mob
Dead

Gender: Unspecified
Location: Rising up

Yeah...

You're on the wrong company. Though I'm surprised you're actually close for once in the events of a comic. I'm just going to assume you're talking about Marvel: The End on purpose because the alternative... is pretty terrible.

__________________

Join here, talk to me. All welcome. Come to me little Carver.

Mar 8th, 2015 02:25 AM

Galan007
|Quantum Observer|

Gender: Male
Location: Mars, 1985

quote: (post)
Originally posted by VastoLord1234
This is getting waay too confusing, if the source was hinted at being the presence or atleast the power of the presence, how did darkseid with the soulfire beat it?

The Source Being was portrayed as a fairly weaksauce/enormously fallible character during DotNG. He wasn't even able to beat Soulfire Darkseid, ffs.

A Beyonder wrecks him.

__________________

|Mxy|

Last edited by Galan007 on Mar 8th, 2015 at 02:41 AM

Mar 8th, 2015 02:37 AM

DeusExMachina
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United Kingdom

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Galan007
The Source Being was portrayed as a fairly weaksauce/enormously fallible character during DotNG. He wasn't even able to beat Soulfire Darkseid, ffs.

A Beyonder wrecks him.

And the source is supposed to be the presence/ the power of the presence?

Mar 8th, 2015 05:17 PM

DeusExMachina
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United Kingdom

quote: (post)
Originally posted by operator616
Because Starlin (the writer of the story) didn't take this into account. Just another day in the history of comics.

That, or you can go with BW's story. He always seems to have......a unique interpretation of comic events.

So basically its PIS? based on inconsistency?

Mar 8th, 2015 05:19 PM

DeusExMachina
Senior Member

Gender:
Location: United Kingdom

quote: (post)
Originally posted by Board Walker
simply put Darkseid was commanding the full power of the presence, omniversal power was his. The presence was teaching darkseid a lesson, that was the entire point of the entire story. It was for the presence to show and help darkseid understand its purpose in creating the DC story/comics. That no matter what darkseid did it was all part of the presence's plan, that darkseid was an inherent conceptual cornerstone in the DC story.

Wait, that was actually the plot of the entire story?

Mar 8th, 2015 05:19 PM

Galan007
|Quantum Observer|

Gender: Male
Location: Mars, 1985

quote: (post)
Originally posted by VastoLord1234
And the source is supposed to be the presence/ the power of the presence?

Except in that particular story, it was portrayed as borderline weaksauce, so no.

__________________

|Mxy|

Mar 8th, 2015 06:01 PM

Astner
The Ghost Who Walks

Gender: Male
Location:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by quanchi112
I did read the entire series. I get it that Darkseid was more powerful than anything he had been capable up to this point.

Superman makes it clear ten square miles of damage is more powerful than anything he's capable of on his own. Galactic destroying power is far greater than 10 square miles.

Read the scan. It's all painfully clear. I can play the let's post scans game. Based on actual feats Surtur wins. Odin or Surtur is just simply too powerful for darkseid who was affectred by Superman level power and specifically prepped for the Source not anyone else.

(please log in to view the image)

(please log in to view the image)

Mar 8th, 2015 07:47 PM