I still havent read this series but anything that has universal power would barely be midway up the Marvel/DC food chain. Destroying and recreating universes, reality warping is like a monthly thing in their respective multiverses.
To put things into perspective Lucifer and Michael exists outside the primal monitor, which is what all of DC/Vertigo exists within as a tiny droplet within an ocean.
Furthermore, Lucifer created a infinite multiverse as it is stated on panel.
Michael and Lucifer are abstracts of the highest order - said to be second in creation (next to God, of course).
Michael is the embodiment of God's power - the Dunamis Demiurgos. It is stated - repeatedly - that releasing his power would destroy all of creation. He had the power to end the war in Heaven with a wave of his hand, but he's kind of a pussy and mostly a pacifist.
Lucifer is the embodiment of God's will, and with it has infinite reality warping ability. He took Michael into the void, killed him, survived the Dunamis Demiurgos point blank, and then created a multiverse out of it effortlessly.
Feats can go on and on. People will try to lowball both Lucifer and Michael, but it's important to consider that Lucifer during his series was at full power for only a few chapters (voluntarily removing his wings before then and being weakened by God's departure thereafter). Michael was also depowered by God's departure and fiercely avoids using his power so as not to threaten creation. He has a few feats outside of Vertigo, including manhandling the Spectre with ease.
To answer the question, both are unquestionably above the Endless, and therefore should be likewise above Marvel's comparable abstracts (somewhere around LT, though I would probably rank LT higher for being a more complete being)
Where are you getting this from?
Lucifer's best feat was arguably tanking the Dunamis Demiurgos, but that's irrelevant. When Lucifer created his multiverse he created the concepts of time, space, etc. You know, all the things that are abstracts.
He chose not to create immortals and the like. That much was made very clear if you read..
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"And then there was nothing. A once broken something now void.
And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
When Yahweh threatened to destroy "all creation", Elaine knew what it was : (please log in to view the image)
"A Universe". The merged creation was A UNIVERSE.
And in the next to final issue in the series, Elaine takes over and becomes one with creation and guess what it is : (please log in to view the image)
"My mind runs across the universe".
Now unless you got scans more recent than these calling it a multiverse or whatever. Post them please. Make sure they POST date the issues in these scans : Lucifer 68, 69, and the next to final issue 74.
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In Lucifer: Nirvana (too lazy to post scans), Lucifer specifically says he created "a totality - a multiverse". You can find further proof if you like, such as the alternate Cal that appears from another universe.
Yes, the series commonly uses the word "universe". Don't read too much into it, it's not accurate. We know there's only one Lucifer, only one Michael, only one (of each) Endless. They all exist within the DCU (a multiverse, without a doubt).
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"And then there was nothing. A once broken something now void.
And on the first day, Doom spoke... 'Be.'
And then there was life."
So you don't see any problems with the fact that the guy you are talking about who was going to destroy the entire universe..being stopped by Odin? When Odin is nowhere near universal level?
How was he even planning to destroy the universe? If he legitimately had enough innate power to do that..Odin would of been as much of a threat as a mosquito.
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Odin and Seth's battle threatened to destroy the universe. Surtur, Odin's peer, almost destroyed the universe, till Odin stepped in. This isn't a new thing for Odin.
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..even the outer hells are indifferent matters for they bow only to potent and archaic Nodens.
So Odin failed to defeat Galactus, who can't destroy a single universe...why? Why was *this* fight going to destroy the universe, but other times when Odin has gotten serious all he did was destroy surrounding galaxies?
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