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quentin quire vs charles xavier

Quentin quire(kid omega) vs charles xavier...who wins..all out fight?

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Quire. Simply because he's comparable to Xavier with his TP, and he has TK to rely on as well. And as a potential(and actual) Phoenix host a few times, his power speaks for itself when he's not being a bs'ing as*bag.

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Actually I think it was stated he was stronger than xavier and emma,not really sure though..he is also an omega level right?

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Skill would also come into play, however. Witness Emma shutting Rachel down, for example.


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Quentin shut down emma as well iirc..

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There are omega lv mutants and omega lv telepaths. Not sure which one Quire is. Probably both?


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Quire is both..

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Xavier's feats trump Quire's.

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IN feats of pure telepathy, for the most part Xavier does have higher highs. But Quentin's no slouch and he is more than capable of battling Xavier with his own TP while using his TK which puts Charles at a distinct advantage from the moment the fight starts.

Hard to mentally battle someone when the wheelchair you're in is suddenly 40 feet in the air and upside down.

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IN feats of pure telepathy, for the most part Xavier does have higher highs. But Quentin's no slouch and he is more than capable of battling Xavier with his own TP while using his TK which puts Charles at a distinct advantage from the moment the fight starts.

Hard to mentally battle someone when the wheelchair you're in is suddenly 40 feet in the air and upside down.


Telepathy is really the only power that's needed.

See Emma's fight with Exodus. With someone like Xavier fighting you, Quire's ENTIRE consciousness will be forced into Astral Battling - he wouldn't be able to spare a single thought on using any other powers or anything else besides the psychic battling.

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Yeah I'd need feats of Quite being able to telepathically battle someone on the level of Xavier and yet still being able to multi-task and use other powers.


Sounds like this could just be a quick draw though. If X goes for a telepathic attack right away and Quire goes for a TK attack right away...hard to say who would succeed. Xavier might wind up dead while Quire winds up braindead. Technically that could be a win for Quire. Especially since with a mind that powerful it's possible he could eventually come back from such psychic trauma.


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The other Quire thread got me thinking about this one. I'm giving it to Xavier. The X-telepaths have had too many upgrades over the years, and Quire has been left behind. They've essentially demoted him to mutant-in-training status again. Rachel came off superior during a brief encounter recently, and he already lost the rematch to the Cuckoos.

Side note: I disagree with the telekinesis argument. He is still referred to as a telepath in the comics, despite the psychic constructs. They've been generally understood as telepathic energy though, similar to some versions of Psylocke's psyblade. Quentin is not a true tp/tk combo user like Jean or something. I don't think it'd be an issue for Charles at all.

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Racheal and quentin never fought,he just silently peeked in her mind,and she kicked him out,it wasn't a fight.
His loss to the cuckoos is his only real low end feat as a telepath,he shut down the entire mutant population which included a cerebro enhanced emma, fought off the xmen while simultaneously guiding the phoenix force
Also he is indeed a telekenitic,he reanimated sophia's body among other feats
Also unless I am mistaken,his mind fires off FTL signals,which was an upgrade to his '10 million thoughts a second' era.

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I didnt say they fought, but Rachel did give him a nosebleed and had him walking off holding his head in pain. Emma wasn't fighting Quentin when she was in cerebra either.

His loss to the Cuckoos is pretty fair. You're referencing Phoenix Endsong, which, at this point is a high showing. Since then he's lost to Cuckoo's, had his mind control fought by Wolverine, embarrassed by Rachel, blocked by Captain America(who was susceptible to Xavier's telepathy), and hasn't displayed telekinesis of any kind. We're literally talking about 40-50 issues vs 3-4. Quentin is clearly not at that level anymore.

Not only that, but Quentin, enhanced by kick, still used Magneto's helmet to block Xavier. Quire was clearly afraid of an actual fight with the Professor, for good reason.

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While they're having the telepathic battle, quire's body walks up to xavier's and pushes over his wheelchair for the win.


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I didnt say they fought, but Rachel did give him a nosebleed and had him walking off holding his head in pain. Emma wasn't fighting Quentin when she was in cerebra either.

His loss to the Cuckoos is pretty fair. You're referencing Phoenix Endsong, which, at this point is a high showing. Since then he's lost to Cuckoo's, had his mind control fought by Wolverine, embarrassed by Rachel, blocked by Captain America(who was susceptible to Xavier's telepathy), and hasn't displayed telekinesis of any kind. We're literally talking about 40-50 issues vs 3-4. Quentin is clearly not at that level anymore.

Not only that, but Quentin, enhanced by kick, still used Magneto's helmet to block Xavier. Quire was clearly afraid of an actual fight with the Professor, for good reason.


She gave him a nosebleed because she assaulted him,and he didn't retaliate,of course his head is going to hurt if he got a hit from racheal. Emma was held down telepathically,she couldn't break free,even with cerebro,and it wasn't just her,the entire mutant population was held down too,she was aware,but couldn't break free,next time they met he KO'd her easily, Wolverine never fought his control,he put wolvering and hisako in a telepathic game world he created where he controlled every aspect in there,his subconscious continued while he slept and things got out of hand,after he left the school he easily messed around with wolverine's head during the hell fire club birthday,cap didn't block him,just cuz he had a giant shield in his head dosent mean quire couldn't mindrape him if he wanted,unless there was a retcon I am not aware of,quire never lost his omega level powers,and currently he blocked red onslaught for a full day despite being weakened,created a telepathic gameplay world,which continues even if he sleeps,hell he absorbed wolverine's fighting and flight skills from his mind, wolverine himself admitted that quire could've left the institute when we felt like it,despite claiming that rachael has him 'mind watched'.he also handled that brain girl easily.

The only low feat he has is getting beat by the cuckoos honestly. The same chicks who required kick+cerebro+5 of them to stop him,then the next time he went on a rampage they hid in the closet,then suddenly they improve enough to beat him easily?

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Had no idea Qentin is so powerful, I'm only familiar with his abilities from that time when he failed to read Cap's mind.


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Had no idea Qentin is so powerful, I'm only familiar with his abilities from that time when he failed to read Cap's mind.


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That's like Quire's lowest showing ever and Cap's highest showing ever.

Cap is not even known for his tp resistance.


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Tbf, we don't even know if Cap would have been successful in keeping Quire out. He was never called out on his claim.


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Tbf, we don't even know if Cap would have been successful in keeping Quire out. He was never called out on his claim.

Yes he was. Cap easily blocked him and his psychic defenses dwarfed Quire.
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