Team one. Karnak isn't really anything special and even though gorgon has a strength advantage, cage is durable enough to take what he can dish out long enough for Danny to help him.
karnak got his ass handed to him by Black Panther. He only ever does well against people that aren't skilled or are nameless mooks. Also, who is the most powerful character that gorgon has taken out with one shot? Are we seriously going to suggest that the guy that fought evenly with namor under water, held his own against wonder man, and has thrown down with the thing couldn't take hits from gorgon?
Whoa. Stop fanboying for a sec. Luke cheapshotted Namor and got a strike or two on the follow-up drawing some blood, yes, but in the end... he got one-shotted.
comparisons and statements from characters doesn't mean very much to me. How many people do we have that are "the most powerful person in the universe" oneshotted in the water. Luke drawing blood from him is a good enough feat, but doing it in Namor's own home turf is just impressive as hell.
It's more relevant than making things up about LC/Namor fight --- and goes nicely with how Karnak's been portrayed - one-shotted by Mantis. One-shotted by Panther. On the ropes in his first encounter with Panther, too.
Karnay has a great ability, but simply sucks in a fight...
He's had plenty of PIS feats out of nowhere ever since Bendis' man crush on him. Somehow other writers became "infected" as well, after a while.
And to be fair to Bendis, Cage was knee deep in PIS long before he took a liking to the character. Remember the "Where's my money, honey?" showdown where his big strategy was to hit Doom's armor in the same place over and over again, which Doom claims NO ONE was smart enough to try? (How stupid is Ben, Black Bolt, Thor, Wonder Man, Iron Man...?)
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*sigh* no he wasn't. Danny was sloppy all throughout that fight and panther wasn't trying to hurt him. That "fight" was hardly indicative of how a real fight would go between them. By the way, since when has causing a brain aneurysm even after fainting count as having your ass kicked.
So...............is that it? One feat that involves hitting Logan half way across the world is enough to give him a definite win against Luke? What's to say that cage can't pick him up and throw him away?
Indeed. One guy was berserk and not paying attention to defense, the other guy clearly prepped to help him (Yes, help him. That device that knocked Danny out? It was designed to clean his chi.)
Bottom line, not a good indication of a proper fight (Although still good feats for both.)
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The brain aneurysm was caused by the fight.
However what is indicative is that Danny tend to lose against people more skilled or as skilled as him and physically superior which is the case with Karnak.
I've never said it's one-sided but that proves that Gorgon can one-shot anyone in team 1.
No he doesn't. Even a weakened Danny that had just finished fighting the entire wrecking crew did well against cap. Again, show me anything supporting the thought that karnak is skilled enough to fight danny. We both know what his track record against black panther is.
So does gorgon have any other feats? Does he have any showings of skill, speed, or creativity in battle? By the way, Luke has taken hits from the thing, heroim, wonder man, rhino, the hulk, doctor doom, iron man, proxima midnight, and namor. Does gorgon now have better striking feats than all of them?
There's also the fact Danny was looking for help from the Avengers, and was simply trying to get Cap to listen, who thought he was a murderer (As did Iron Man and many others. Iron Fist being framed for crimes he didn't commit was kind of a running gag at the time..)
And knocking Cap down behind his kinetic force inhibiting shield is a pretty nice feat, and one that's supported by other writers having the chi enhanced punches bypass Speedball's kinetic field, because of mystic properties.
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no it doesn't. Black Panther targets the pressure points of rand in a fight and gets an aneurysm because of it? WTF sort of mental gymnastics are you doing? He got punched in the face by rand multiple times. That explains the aneurysm. Also, he didn't use pressure points throughout the whole fight.
*sigh* again, BP wasn't trying to Ko him and Rand's defense was sloppy because he was only focusing on offense. That fight shows us nothing other than Rand's striking power and BP's damage soak.
so now sparring sessions are indicative of how a real fight would go down? What's even funnier is that Logan said that he was using about 80% of his skill and rand said that he was using about 50%.
And yet black panther oneshotted him and mantis beat him like a redheaded stepchild. So your one and only thought about how karnak wins is "he hit the pressure points of a far slower, far less skilled guy! HE'S THE BEST THERE IZZ!!!!!!! 1! 1! 1!"
Move the goalposts? I asked you in my very second post what gorgon's feats were. You replied with that one singular feat and then my third post addressed how he has nothing else. You've been defending that singular feat like your life depends on it and what's even funnier is that Logan got hit off panel and we have no idea of whether or not he was distracted when he was hit. Even funnier is that you suggest that Logan might not have known that the hit was coming and he didn't even know if he had to avoid it.
Again, you have nothing to prove that gorgon can take Luke in a fight other than one feat. Meanwhile, Luke has actual feats involving actively tagging and blocking attacks from higher level martial artists who don't enjoy letting themselves be hit and having their healing factor do the rest. Does gorgon? Luke has actual feats of beating B and lower level A list Bricks as well as holding his own against A list bricks. Does Gorgon? Luke has decades of feats showing him utilizing his partners skills to his benefit. Does gorgon?
One last thing, do gorgon or Karnak have some sort of response for Danny spamming his chi blasts?
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no it doesn't. Black Panther targets the pressure points of rand in a fight and gets an aneurysm because of it? WTF sort of mental gymnastics are you doing? He got punched in the face by rand multiple times. That explains the aneurysm. Also, he didn't use pressure points throughout the whole fight. 
