but wait a minute. they are fighting in the ring ok? martial art rules. MMA rules boxing rules, wrestling, you name it. do you agree that juggernaut will beat cap and daredevil in the ring only by using straight H2H fighting? of course he will. martial arts is not only about being flexible and doing acrobatic jumps and kicks. its about fighting. therefor juggernaut is a better fighter and martial artist than them.
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I don't think juggs would win if you take away power. cap if you take away SSS he's a wimp.
based just on hand to hand skills id give it to the guy that fights using martial arts more on a regular basis; so for me between jugs and cap h2h id give it to cap.
powers on I don't think anyone could do any damage to jugs to make him KO but I think he would lose by decision.
but taking away the powers means its not the character. lets take batman and daredevil and take a limb from them. they are who they are and they fight with the things they got. if they achieve their fighting abilities thru powers then there is nothing wrong with that since its the character.
so you say cap can beat juggs in H2H?
juggs would lose by decision? so you believe juggs cant ko cap or daredevil?
Captain America and Batman's technique is trumped by Juggernaut & Hulk's superhuman strength & durability not by their fighting skills. Bat and Cap are highly trained fighters where Hulk & Juggs are basically brawlers.
at the first days of the UFC, many black belt karate guys and kung fu masters got their asses handed to them by good brawlers. so those guys were not fighters? were not martial artists? again. just because you dont perform a spinning jump kick doesnt mean you are not a fighter and martial artist. hulk and juggernaut know how to fight, at least box. with their stats they are very good fighters and will beat all those guys in a fight. would you argue that a boxer is not a fighter?
with MA rules they fight in a ring. would you say that juggernaut wouldnt be able to land a single hit on those guys in a ring? they will get tagged eventually and very fast. even if they didnt fight in a ring. he can just create shockwaves that will stun them until he gets in and crush them. very high level of martial arts. thunderclaps are just like chi blasts and even more powerful.