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Weakest character who can beat Barbatos..?

So now that all is said an done, who is the weakest character that can legitimately defeat Barbatos without 'weakness exploitation'(ie. the use of divine metals or w/e)..?


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Aquarian.


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I’m not sure we really know. All we know is that Barbatos killed his master a long time ago, who was an implied peer of the monitor and anti-monitor. I would argue the Over-Monitor; “the most powerful being in the Multiverse,” is inferior as well. Pretty sure a weakened Barbatos also tanked/survived the blast capable of reaching the edge of the Multiverse and punching a gaping hole trough the source wall, so there’s that.

I would say that it would take entities on the level of The Endless or Mxyzptlk to undo Barbatos, if I’m being honest.


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He did give Superman a lot of trouble.

And as we know, even Emperor Joker couldn't stop Superman.


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So far we know the following

- He killed the original forger of worlds; who had the ability (from Element X) to create worlds/universe.
- Barbatos has the ability to destroy universe(s) if they are in his realm. We know this because that was essential his entire plan.
- Barbatos clearly did not have the juice to destroy the entire multiverse because his plan to destroy it all at once was using the overmonitor/antimonitor brain/power.
- He can't even brake through the chains that were forged by a weak Overmonitor

He is probably on the level of Nekron/White Lanterns. It seems DarkMetal borrowed a lot of Blackest Night. Definitely below Mxy, Cosmic Armor Superman, COIE AM.


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he done nothing impressive on panel


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He is probably on the level of Nekron/White Lanterns. It seems DarkMetal borrowed a lot of Blackest Night. Definitely below Mxy, Cosmic Armor Superman, COIE AM.

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Originally posted by xJLxKing
So far we know the following

- He killed the original forger of worlds; who had the ability (from Element X) to create worlds/universe.
- Barbatos has the ability to destroy universe(s) if they are in his realm. We know this because that was essential his entire plan.
- Barbatos clearly did not have the juice to destroy the entire multiverse because his plan to destroy it all at once was using the overmonitor/antimonitor brain/power.
- He can't even brake through the chains that were forged by a weak Overmonitor

He is probably on the level of Nekron/White Lanterns. It seems DarkMetal borrowed a lot of Blackest Night. Definitely below Mxy, Cosmic Armor Superman, COIE AM.


And below Dr. Manhattan, going by what Mxy said.


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So the Over Monitor’s role has been shitted on by a hack writer now?

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Yeah, the heroes did blast a hole through the Source Wall... Good thing they have Hal around to patch that shit up:

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But in all seriousness, I'm not really sure where to rank Barbatos in comparison to the Overmonitor. On one hand, the Dark Knights had captured Monitor [somehow] and were beating the shit out of him... On the other hand, chains forged by Monitor were strong enough to permanently contain Barbatos. /shrug


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And below Dr. Manhattan, going by what Mxy said.

Personally, (Galan can correct me here), but Mxy seemed to indicate that he was also scared of Mr.Oz but we know how that turned out. Yet, Mxy was scared of some silly trap that can trap him>


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Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, the heroes did blast a hole through the Source Wall... Good thing they have Hal around to patch that shit up:

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But in all seriousness, I'm not really sure where to rank Barbatos in comparison to the Overmonitor. On one hand, the Dark Knights had captured Monitor [somehow] and were beating the shit out of him... On the other hand, chains forged by Monitor were strong enough to permanently contain Barbatos. /shrug


They did mention he was recovering from the last crisis.


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Personally, (Galan can correct me here), but Mxy seemed to indicate that he was also scared of Mr.Oz but we know how that turned out. Yet, Mxy was scared of some silly trap that can trap him>
It is entirely possible(and moreover probable) that Manhattan will indeed turn out to be > Mxy, unequivocally.

That said, pretty much every character is hyped before their reveal -- especially when that character is essential to the plot of an upcoming event(like Manhattan obviously is.) Some characters ultimately live up to their hype, and some fall terribly flat... So I'll wait until Manny is fleshed-out a bit more before I comment on him definitively.

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They did mention he was recovering from the last crisis.
Yeah, TBWL stated that Overmonitor was "just starting to reform after the last multiversal Crisis", so it's likely that he was nowhere near full power when they abducted him. thumb up


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So, was that the Over-Monitor or the original Monitor from COIE?

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I'm assuming so...


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So, was that the Over-Monitor or the original Monitor from COIE?

Somehow...


Originally, the original Monitor represented all the positive matter. Anti Monitor represented all the anti-matter.

Morrison then made OverMonitor in Final Crisis and said that it represented ALL of DCU.

Now, Dark Night Metal says that Overmonitor is the OG.


Doesn't really make sense. Here is hoping they give a bit more clarification.


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Morrison then made OverMonitor in Final Crisis and said that it represented ALL of DCU
That's the OverVOID(ie. The Primal Monitor.)

Much different than the OverMONITOR we saw in Metal.


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That's the OverVOID(ie. The Primal Monitor.)

Much different than the OverMONITOR we saw in Metal.



Well, it's not confusing if you put it that way

I assumed they were trying to say that Primal Monitor=COIE Monitor. I could have bet my money they even referred the overvoid as the Overmonitor.

I briefly ran through FC Superman Beyond1-2 just now and they actually never did.

Thanks for clarification.


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