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Flash vs Graviton

post crisis vs peak grav

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Is Flash allowed to time travel?


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Is he allowed to speed steal?


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how would speed steal beat someone that controls the Density of the Gravity?

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Flash could just slip in and out of the Speed Force and attack Gravy that way. Or use the Gravity to enhance his Mass Punch.


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Oh yeah, is he allowed to drag Graviton into the speed force?


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I don't think he likes you, DS. LOL!


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what would happen if graviton increase Mass and gravity of flash so much he wouldn't be able to jump out stand

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how would speed steal beat someone that controls the Density of the Gravity?


If you think that, then why create the thread in the first place? Since you are so sure Graviton would win?


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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is Flash allowed to time travel?


confused

Can Flash seriously do that in ordinary canon comics?

He really IS just about the most unbeatable DC character if he can do THAT at will ...




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I don't think he likes you, DS. LOL!



D once paid me the compliment of being the author he'd most like to see for Wonder Woman:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/...mp;pagenumber=1

Not gonna lie, if DC ever accepted a serious writing submission from him involving Flash, I'd go through quite a bit of effort to get ahold of that story ...

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what would happen if graviton increase Mass and gravity of flash so much he wouldn't be able to jump out stand


I dont see that happening becaise the fact flash can prodice an IMP by definition means he can move infinite mass. Of tje foir fundermemtal Universal forces gravity is the weakest. Flash uses speead to vibrate his molecules and break the stromgest (strong nuclear force). He can also achieve to a much higher degree under his own power things gravity needs to be vastly intense to achieve. Things like bending time and space.

There are ways Graviton could use his powers creatively to F Flash up but his standard methods arent giving him a majority vs Flash IMHO. I'm open to arguments to the contrary though.

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what would happen if graviton increase Mass and gravity of flash so much he wouldn't be able to jump out stand


That can definitely happen, and a way for Graviton to win.

The only problem is the Flash’s reaction speed. For example, the speed show when he evacuated 500,000 people from a city in 0.00001 of a second to a point 35 miles away while a nuclear bomb was exploding. Graviton simply wouldn’t have the time to react.

Now, I don’t know whether you are serious or this is another troll attempt, but if serious you should know the Flash is one of the more difficult characters to debate for/against. He is too powerful for many characters, and too weak for the ones that would easily destroy him (eg Franklin Richards with his yoctosecond reaction ability and reality warping powers). Which is why I wouldn’t use the Flash - too strong for most, and too weak for others.


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how would speed steal beat someone that controls the Density of the Gravity?


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If you think that, then why create the thread in the first place? Since you are so sure Graviton would win?



confused


Exactly how many times have you seen Flash USE that technique?

I have difficulty recollecting even HEARING that term in relation to Flash until DS brought it up in some Wonder Woman thread months ago.

When did this suddenly become a regular Flash go-to strategy?

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That Tokyo feat is an error, the writer even confirmed he miscalculated and intended it for it to be near light speed l. Where’s the scan of flash resisting 1000 times gravity

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They're all gone, so will edit my iamges when I'm home from work.


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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
confused

Can Flash seriously do that in ordinary canon comics?

He really IS just about the most unbeatable DC character if he can do THAT at will ...

On my phone, so let's see how well this works..

Casually mid sentence popping through the time stream (no amps oR anything):
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https://s5.postimg.cc/3kniwo2mv/image.jpg

Casually making time clones (so Graviton will have multiple Flashes to deliver with):
https://s5.postimg.cc/c2ns9iudz/image.jpg
https://s5.postimg.cc/mqrj8d4d3/image.jpg

And yes, he beats himself in a race.

Here, he races Death through space and time. Casually, without breaking a sweat. Context: he had just regained his powers after losing them:
https://s5.postimg.cc/eo2joiyjb/image.jpg


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^^^looking at your initial posts, i’m about 98% certain Graviton wins this.

Re: Spetznaz and Flash’s reaction time, these matches supposedly start “powers on”, whatever the **** -that- means is usually interpreted as, “only when it benefits my character”, so, what constitutes powers on for Graviton? Peak Graviton (the guy who had every hero on earth in his grip) at that?

Flash might well be pinned fom the go.


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1. First of all it wasn’t in Japan. It was in North Korea, so I’m not sure where your Tokyo reference is coming from.

2. Second of all, your statement about the writer. Prove it, since you like telling others to ‘prove’ with scans. Post a link where the writer says that.

3. Even if the writer did say it (which I don’t believe), the rules on KMC clearly state the following:
‘An obscure interview given by someone involved in a story arc is not proof to refute feats. Neither is a random post by a supposed writer on a message board, blogs, tweets, etc. There have been too many of these so called interviews which go against what's shown on panel. Especially when there is no dialogue to refute what's happening on panel. Most writers are clear with the intentions of the plot and story arc.‘

4. Going on what is SHOWN ON PANEL, the Flash does evacuate the city in that time frame. That is a fact - well, as much as a nerdy comic book drawing can be considered fact. It is on panel. Whatever (alleged) ‘writers’ say is neither here nor there.

5. Also, I know you haven’t read the comic. I not only have read it, but I own it (it’s a good story, and explores what Martian Manhunter could be if he stopped jobbing). The ‘writer’ statement you said - where you claim be confirmed - is a lie. Why? Because I know where that came from. It’s frkm the freaking book itself, where the writer states that Flash was moving people at a hair’s breadth under the speed of light. There was no writer claiming he ‘misaculated’ - it is bloody stated in the damn book.

However, what is shown on panel is a city being evacuated of all its citizens in the slightest fraction of a second. So, it’s up to the reader to decide whether that happened in that time frame (which it would have to otherwise the people get fried), or if the Flash simply ran at just a bit under the speed of light (which would mean the people were friend since it would’nt be fast enough).

6. Finally, it doesn’t matter which speed you use. Whether it is 9-13 trillion times the speed of light, or ‘just under a hair’s breath the speed of light,’ the KMC rules (those rules again ....) clearly state that competitors start 0.5km away from each other within line of sight of each other.

Even if you used the ‘slower’ speed, the Flash would still be TOO FAST for Graviton. 0.5KM is nothing at a ‘hair’s breath under light speed.’


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^^^Whoo, someone’s on a tear.

Still gotta factor in powers on.


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