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How effective would Batman be if given the Super- Soldier serum?

As we know Bruce over many years from childhood on up trained his body, mind and senses to the pinnacle of human perfection and beyond, now in this scenario on top of having done that...........he was selected to receive the same Super soldier serum that Steve Rogers, Steve as we know had a whole of heart and spirit when he was a skinny little weak guy, the serum gave him his nigh super human physique and prowess and he train riguriosly to become the perfect fighting machine.

But in Bruce you have a guy whom without any outside enhancements is virtually already there, so with the addition of the SSS...........just how much more formidable would Bruce be and who would be some of the more powerful people that he could take down?

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Just as effective as Steve Rogers.


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Just as effective as Steve Rogers.
Tbh I find him to be that already without the serum.

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He'd be Superman level.

Just look at how he did with a similar amp, i.e. when he was on Venom.


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He'd be Superman level.

Just look at how he did with a similar amp, i.e. when he was on Venom.
Didnt know he had fought Venom, do you have scans of that? it's not that I don't believe you, I'll just like to see that.

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Didnt know he had fought Venom, do you have scans of that? it's not that I don't believe you, I'll just like to see that.


No, I meant when Batman was on Venom (the serum that Bane is on). Was a close analogue to the SSS for me.

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Was drawing blood from Supes.


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Thanks you, I get what you're pointing out but the comparison that I was looking for in my OP was Bruce going through the exact same process that Steve went through while already in perfect condition that he trained himself into, I'm sure the sss contains different properties than the Bane serum.

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Thanks you, I get what you're pointing out but the comparison that I was looking for in my OP was Bruce going through the exact same process that Steve went through while already in perfect condition that he trained himself into, I'm sure the sss contains different properties than the Bane serum.


It's exactly the same.

Batman as we know him, was shot full of Venom. Amped him to the levels you see in my scan.

Only think I can see the SSS doing better is giving him clarity of mind and not making him a dick, but that's it. They're pretty similar.

Oh and it's not addictive, and is a one time thing.


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I think the only changes it would bring would be:

(a) making him being able to go hard for much much longer (he can already fight for days, but as we saw when Bane broke his back he can eventually be exhausted) - with the SSS he would never get fatigued;

(b) maybe up his stats very very slightly, if at all. Hes already kicking trees down, running faster than criminals can shoot, is already a hyper genius, can already throw projectiles and bounce them in obtuse trajectories, etc. He would probably not even notice a difference - like an Olympic weightlifter not noticing the slight amp a cup of coffee gives him.

Note - I am using the traditional interpretation of the SSS, which takes someone to peak superhuman strength.

I am not using some of the more modern interpretations that make someone straight up superhuman ...eg throwing a shield throw a tank

Under the original view of the SSS, the one big thing it would do is make Bruce NEVER tired.

Which, by the way, is a big amp! He can go hard for as long as he ha oxygen and energy in his body.


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He'd be a threat for Wonder Woman


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Peak human strength NOT peak superhuman strength


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No, I meant when Batman was on Venom (the serum that Bane is on). Was a close analogue to the SSS for me.

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Was drawing blood from Supes.


Venom is a derivative of Miraclo, which makes you blatantly superhuman.



All the SSS did was make Cap from a 98lb twerp, into an athletic physique (Ironically, probably the Aryan ideal the Nazi's were pushing)


Bur he's still merely peak human, just like Black Panther, Daredevil, Batman, or Richard Dragon. The fan belief that he's somehow a cut above streets is unfounded in feats, if not in words.


So if Batman took the SSS, it would do.... nothing.


He can already fight for days, without rest, fix a broken back and climb out of a stone prison from holes he punched himself in the wall, keep up with speedsters, tank blows from Wonder Woman and Superman...



I mean, yeah, everyone cries "PIS" when he does it, but accepts Cap can do this stuff because "SSS", but that's their logical fallacy. Nothing on the SSS tin says anything about knocking Savage Hulk out, that's just something fans seem to accept, but I bet he'd do all that WITHOUT the SSS at this point. Hell, he'd do it before taking the SSS, as a 98 lb weakling.


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You're misusing the term "tank"


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You're misusing the term "tank"



No real visible injury or impairment in his performance, after getting taken through a wall and slammed into the pavement by Wonder Woman.


A tank, by my definition.


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Tbh I find him to be that already without the serum.


Or not far from it

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Batman is already > Cap. The SSS would probably just weaken him tbh.


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Batman is already > Cap. The SSS would probably just weaken him tbh.



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Batman is already > Cap. The SSS would probably just weaken him tbh.


Batman isn't stronger than Cap

also, Cap is just as skilled if not better h2h than him by a slight margin

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as far as physical goes, that's definitely going to Cap. The main thing Cap has over Batman is he has actual war experience. Cap knows strategic maneuvers better than Batman because he is used to dealing with more than just a handful of people.

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Cap adapted on the fly to alien martial arts with mastery of defenses against them in minutes to what Kang compared as decades of training to learn. This is on top of both narration where he claims to know all the forms of martial arts *and* beating characters who also have "mastery of all forms of martial arts.*
Batman, multiple times, gets his hands full with people who are master level anything. He's randomly been near beaten by 1 sub-master level ninja the size of Crossbones.

The only notion towards Cap's favor there is that his mind like his body is enhanced, so in terms of adaptation Cap's likely to adapt faster to Batman than the alternative. But I wouldn't say that's an easy clinch or anything.

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