Well, Danny does have his insane showing against Wrecking Crew.
But Bane has a few feats against heavy hitters as well, doesn't he?
Hourman? Mammoth?
Not to mention taking down Grundy (who was still operating at high power levels, as seen when he fought Gotham and destroyed a giant statue) backed up by Amygdala, who is not exactly a pushover either.
Nice Arkham War scans but Bane had venom there. The venom tank on his back and the tubing going directly into the back of his head.
I agree that it should come down to skill and durability showings w/o the iron fist and venom.
I don't think there is a distinction between Bane pre 52 and current. The same backstory exists born into a prison, test subject for prison experiment, etc. N52 venom made Bane smarter and faster, and a meta w/o a recent dosing but he doesn't have venom here.
Because a no chi Danny doesn't exist. Anything we imagine would be speculatory.
Best we have is those times Davos drained off the Iron Fist or when it was on the fritz against Creed, and even then he was still able to shatter Davos's ribs, or knock Creed into telephone wires.
He did kill Shou Lao to earn the Iron Fist too.
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Bane has the power and durability, but Danny has measures of those, plus Spidey level speed.
The proof of this is the time Davos fought Spidey several times, with Peter gradually ramping up his speed, until he reached a point he was genuinely trying to win. Until he got cornered and still lost.
An Iron Fist-less Danny fought this Davos, twice, and beat him decisively.
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Pretty sure the credit people give Bats, that sort of scaling would be an upgrade for Bane.
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Yes, I know you meant not to scale up Danny for something his enemy did against Spidey one time.
The thing of it is, Danny has a rep for being a street leveler with a magic fist because Matt or Elektra manages to give him a hard time. But if you look at Danny's history, he should genuinely be on Cage's physical tier, or above.
I mean, I can post scans all day of him tanking nuclear power beams, brick walls delivered from a speeding train, a Kamehameha that blasts him at least a cities length into ice and snow, or Luke Cages fist into the back of his skull, and shaking it off.
Bane's the same way, ripping apart power armor or surviing 40 feet plunges into water without breaking every bone in his body.
Really, Batman/Catwoman/Azbats and Daredevil/Elektra/Spidey have brought their stock down, given their crazy feats.
This is a good match up, from that perspective.
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He ripped a leg off a guy wearing power armor without it. Pretty sure he was also fighting Azrael without it, post Batmans return. Azrael couldn't even scratch him, so cbarged him off a cliff that looked at least as high as Galactus. Big backflop, and Bane actually gets back up before eating a hook to KO.
Danny's closest comparable feats are those things he did without the Iron Fist, yet still had chi ampage.
There's literally no way to gague a "No chi" Danny, because chi is life force, and he'd be dead without it.
So what can we do, except bring in any feats except those where he's actively channeling an Iron Fist?
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