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Who can tank Superboy Prime multiversal punch against BWL

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Where are you in my BZ challenge? 6 month self-ban, Batman with 1 year prep against Knull with 0 prep, fight in the Grand Canyon?


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Re: Who can tank Superboy Prime multiversal punch against BWL

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List of Participants :
- Silver Surfer (Current)
- Void(Sentry)
- God Swamp Thing
- Hyperion (Earth-13034)
-Infinity Gauntlet Thanos
-- Rune King Thor
- Parallax Hal
- Wonder Woman (Hecate)
- God Doom
- Soul Fire Darkseid
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-Molecule Man
- Pre Retcon Beyonder
-Mxy
-Spectre (most powerful version/Logos)
-Lucifer
-Legion

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God Doom, Spectre, Wonder Woman (Hecate), Pre-retcon Beyonder, IG Thanos.

This multiversal/retcon punch at this point is a forum fabrication. There is no conclusive evidence for it. There are certainly allusions to some ability that other Superman analogues dont have but nothing has been confirmed to rule out it being a result of what he was hitting (multiversal structure) and the status at the time of who he was hitting (i.e DK after an extended fight with Perpetua, then fighting SBP whilst simultaneously powering a multiversal transition hence SBPs blows causing changes)

Not saying he doesnt have some extra ability. Just saying it has not been confirmed on panel, its been alluded to and left open to interpretation.


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Re: Re: Who can tank Superboy Prime multiversal punch against BWL

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God Doom, Spectre, Wonder Woman (Hecate), Pre-retcon Beyonder, IG Thanos.

This multiversal/retcon punch at this point is a forum fabrication. There is no conclusive evidence for it. There are certainly allusions to some ability that other Superman analogues dont have but nothing has been confirmed to rule out it being a result of what he was hitting (multiversal structure) and the status at the time of who he was hitting (i.e DK after an extended fight with Perpetua, then fighting SBP whilst simultaneously powering a multiversal transition hence SBPs blows causing changes)

Not saying he doesnt have some extra ability. Just saying it has not been confirmed on panel, its been alluded to and left open to interpretation.
SBP also changed the history of a corrupted Superman by hitting him.
Also it has been shown multiple times on panel that SBP did have retcon punch(Or whatever name you want to call it) . On the contrary.There is no evidence to prove the theory/fabrication of SBP can change reality is due to his conditions
Put it in simple in this argument the side that arguing SBP needs some certain condition to perform his reality-warping ability should be the one who providing conclusive evidence that SBP needs certain conditions to do a retcon punch, not vice versa
Because the comics have constantly shown SBP can change reality/break reality and never specifically mentioned it was due to some certain conditions to allow SBP to do that.

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When SBP broke out of the pHantom Zone, he didn't hit any multiversal people or structures.....but retconned Beast Boy all the same.


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SBP also changed the history of a corrupted Superman by hitting him.
Also it has been shown multiple times on panel that SBP did have retcon punch(Or whatever name you want to call it) . On the contrary.There is no evidence to prove the theory/fabrication of SBP can change reality is due to his conditions
Put it in simple in this argument the side that arguing SBP needs some certain condition to perform his reality-warping ability should be the one who providing conclusive evidence that SBP needs certain conditions to do a retcon punch, not vice versa
Because the comics have constantly shown SBP can change reality/break reality and never specifically mentioned it was due to some certain conditions to allow SBP to do that.


You act like the punch did something, Here’s prime an bwl laughing in the background
Prime never beat or hurt bw laughing out loud Leave it up to super stans to always jump to conclusions

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God Doom, Spectre, Wonder Woman (Hecate), Pre-retcon Beyonder, IG Thanos.

This multiversal/retcon punch at this point is a forum fabrication. There is no conclusive evidence for it. There are certainly allusions to some ability that other Superman analogues dont have but nothing has been confirmed to rule out it being a result of what he was hitting (multiversal structure) and the status at the time of who he was hitting (i.e DK after an extended fight with Perpetua, then fighting SBP whilst simultaneously powering a multiversal transition hence SBPs blows causing changes)

Not saying he doesnt have some extra ability. Just saying it has not been confirmed on panel, its been alluded to and left open to interpretation.
Nice fanfic.


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Where are you in my BZ challenge? 6 month self-ban, Batman with 1 year prep against Knull with 0 prep, fight in the Grand Canyon?


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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
God Doom, Spectre, Wonder Woman (Hecate), Pre-retcon Beyonder, IG Thanos.

This multiversal/retcon punch at this point is a forum fabrication. There is no conclusive evidence for it. There are certainly allusions to some ability that other Superman analogues dont have but nothing has been confirmed to rule out it being a result of what he was hitting (multiversal structure) and the status at the time of who he was hitting (i.e DK after an extended fight with Perpetua, then fighting SBP whilst simultaneously powering a multiversal transition hence SBPs blows causing changes)

Not saying he doesnt have some extra ability. Just saying it has not been confirmed on panel, its been alluded to and left open to interpretation.


Great post 👍 I've been telling the superman brigade for awhile now that the "retcon" punch had context/circumstances to it, there's zero proof its an ability unique to Prime.

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Where are you in my BZ challenge? 6 month self-ban, Batman with 1 year prep against Knull with 0 prep, fight in the Grand Canyon?


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First of all. What it has anything to do with what I said?
Second. This scan happened before SBP fighting Darkest Knight. smile
Here is the scan that you posted from:https://www.cbr.com/dc-death-metal-...-powerful-ever/
A Death Metal preview, The comic hasn't even been released yet.
And not to mention it should take place before SBP fighting Darkest Knight
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Yup.

Death Metal #6, you can see SBP hovering in the background with his armour on in the Superman panel:
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Just before that, TBWL unleashes his final army, which includes Flaming Superman:
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Death Metal Secret Origin then has Flaming Superman in battle, just before SBP starts doing his retcon punching:
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First of all. What it has anything to do with what I said?
Second. This scan happened before SBP fighting Darkest Knight. smile
Here is the scan that you posted from:https://www.cbr.com/dc-death-metal-...-powerful-ever/
A Death Metal preview, The comic hasn't even been released yet.
And not to mention it should take place before SBP fighting Darkest Knight


laughing out loud Super stans have gotta be THE top 5 delusional fanbase on the planet, How would it be before since you SEE prime out in bwl glare?
You DO know that's SBP in the middle of the scan right? I mean it LOOKS like him after that final punch to BWL.

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laughing out loud Super stans have gotta be THE top 5 delusional fanbase on the planet, How would it be before since you SEE prime out in bwl glare?
You DO know that's SBP in the middle of the scan right? I mean it LOOKS like him after that final punch to BWL.
laughing out loud
Wonder Woman actually stated "comes down to these next moments. She is about to look into the FUTURE"
Also you do know that the artist didn't draw overall view of this battle right?

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Where are you in my BZ challenge? 6 month self-ban, Batman with 1 year prep against Knull with 0 prep, fight in the Grand Canyon?


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Re: Re: Re: Who can tank Superboy Prime multiversal punch against BWL

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SBP also changed the history of a corrupted Superman by hitting him.
Also it has been shown multiple times on panel that SBP did have retcon punch(Or whatever name you want to call it) . On the contrary.There is no evidence to prove the theory/fabrication of SBP can change reality is due to his conditions
Put it in simple in this argument the side that arguing SBP needs some certain condition to perform his reality-warping ability should be the one who providing conclusive evidence that SBP needs certain conditions to do a retcon punch, not vice versa
Because the comics have constantly shown SBP can change reality/break reality and never specifically mentioned it was due to some certain conditions to allow SBP to do that.


What i said still stands.

Nothing conclusive has been stated on panel or demonstrated on panel, key word being conclusive. Thats what doesnt seem to be registering.

Its certainly been alluded to, its understandable how it can be interpreted as you have, but thats the point, its an interpretation.

People have got to understand the difference between conclusive evidence and interpretation.

Until an official DC source flat out states that he has this ability, you cannot put it out there like its fact. Just make a case for it and say these on panel showings allude to it.


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What i said still stands.

Nothing conclusive has been stated on panel or demonstrated on panel, key word being conclusive. Thats what doesnt seem to be registering.

Its certainly been alluded to, its understandable how it can be interpreted as you have, but thats the point, its an interpretation.

People have got to understand the difference between conclusive evidence and interpretation.

Until an official DC source flat out states that he has this ability, you cannot put it out there like its fact. Just make a case for it and say these on panel showings allude to it.
But the comics did exactly what you said. Infinite Crisis Secret Files stated he can change continuity and Death Metal stated he can break reality. And he did demonstrate it multiple times at different conditions/locations/opponents without mentioning SBP needs some certain conditions to perform it.
So from the comics we can get 1 SBP can change reality. 2 There is no specific evidence to prove this ability requires some certain conditions
So by definition. SBP can change reality is a conclusive fact. On the contrary, SBP needs specific conditions to do that is a theory/interpretation of SBP reality-warping ability

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Durability Test

List of Participants :
- Silver Surfer (Current)
- Void(Sentry)
- God Swamp Thing
- Hyperion (Earth-13034)
-Infinity Gauntlet Thanos
-- Rune King Thor
- Parallax Hal
- Wonder Woman (Hecate)
- God Doom
- Soul Fire Darkseid
- Spidey Beyonder
-Molecule Man
- Pre Retcon Beyonder
-Mxy
-Spectre (most powerful version/Logos)
-Lucifer
-Legion

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You act like the punch did something, Here’s prime an bwl laughing in the background
Prime never beat or hurt bw laughing out loud Leave it up to super stans to always jump to conclusions

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Great post 👍 I've been telling the superman brigade for awhile now that the "retcon" punch had context/circumstances to it, there's zero proof its an ability unique to Prime.
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
God Doom, Spectre, Wonder Woman (Hecate), Pre-retcon Beyonder, IG Thanos.

This multiversal/retcon punch at this point is a forum fabrication. There is no conclusive evidence for it. There are certainly allusions to some ability that other Superman analogues dont have but nothing has been confirmed to rule out it being a result of what he was hitting (multiversal structure) and the status at the time of who he was hitting (i.e DK after an extended fight with Perpetua, then fighting SBP whilst simultaneously powering a multiversal transition hence SBPs blows causing changes)

Not saying he doesnt have some extra ability. Just saying it has not been confirmed on panel, its been alluded to and left open to interpretation.
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
What i said still stands.

Nothing conclusive has been stated on panel or demonstrated on panel, key word being conclusive. Thats what doesnt seem to be registering.

Its certainly been alluded to, its understandable how it can be interpreted as you have, but thats the point, its an interpretation.

People have got to understand the difference between conclusive evidence and interpretation.

Until an official DC source flat out states that he has this ability, you cannot put it out there like its fact. Just make a case for it and say these on panel showings allude to it.

The trolls are in full damage control mode, eh?


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The trolls are in full damage control mode, eh?


Troll? Grow up.

I havent said anything that isn't reasonable or logical. So either your comment stems from the resentment you harbour cos i whupped you in that other thread or your comprehension skills are lacking. confused

To be fair its probably a bit of both laughing


I am not saying that some ability hasnt been suggested, im just saying it hasnt been confirmed.

We as debaters have to draw the line and have standards and parameters to operate within.

You cannot state something is fact without conclusive confirmation from an official source.

You can only say why you believe something is the case and bring together scans and post your interpretation. Thats different.


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Troll? Grow up.

I havent said anything that isn't reasonable or logical. So either your comment stems from the resentment you harbour cos i whupped you in that other thread or your comprehension skills are lacking. confused

To be fair its probably a bit of both laughing


I am not saying that some ability hasnt been suggested, im just saying it hasnt been confirmed.

We as debaters have to draw the line and have standards and parameters to operate within.

You cannot state something is fact without conclusive confirmation from an official source.

You can only say why you believe something is the case and bring together scans and post your interpretation. Thats different.


I'm sorry to call a spade, a spade my dear. You're just a troll at this point, there's nothing logical about your posts, it's just your conjectures and fanfiction.

Don't like it? Couldn't care less.


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laughing out loud
Wonder Woman actually stated "comes down to these next moments. She is about to look into the FUTURE"
Also you do know that the artist didn't draw overall view of this battle right?


The future builds into future state
This definitely is after the fight with prime, period.

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