Originally posted by Juntai
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Originally posted by Astner
The Living Tribunal is powerful enough to will the rest of those characters out of existence. So he's the only one you'd have to be able to overpower.I'd go with Elaine. I think that's the best answer given that the Living Tribunal is the Almighty's second-in-command.
this is what im trying to avoid
here we have someone effectively a street leveler and a fully omnipotent supreme being, characters that are either too weak or too powerful for this thread
Originally posted by MrMind
here we have someone effectively a street leveler and a fully omnipotent supreme being, characters that are either too weak or too powerful for this thread
The Living Tribunal is second in command to God, so I could see him filling Elaine's role. But I'm giving Elaine the benefit of the doubt since she has both the power and the authority.
we been over this, multiple times
living tribunal is not even in the league of peak power spectre, let alone elaine
LT's power is born out and dependent on the multiverse, got his shit kicked in by lower tier abstracts in master order and lord chaos.
got his ass handed to him by 3 beyonders, the same beyonders that got humiliated by ex nihilo and starbrand
LT can't even reach the boots of angel brothers, let alone elaine
elaine is far above all of marvel, toaa included, by reigning over a much stronger fiction, and much bigger omniverse/multiverse
Originally posted by MrMind
we been over this, multiple times
Originally posted by MrMind
living tribunal is not even in the league of peak power spectre, let alone elaine
Just going by the more popular cosmic portrayals, notable Crisis on Infinite Earths for the Spectre and Infinity Watch #1, the Living Tribunal dwarfed the power of the Infinity Gauntlet, that was dominating the universe. The Spectre needed to channel the power of the sorcerers of the Earth to match and thwart the Anti-Monitor, who had absorbed the power of a universe, and despite that the Anti-Monitor didn't have the same mastery over space and time as Thanos did with the Infinity Gauntlet.
Originally posted by MrMind
LT's power is born out and dependent on the multiverse, got his shit kicked in by lower tier abstracts in master order and lord chaos.
Originally posted by MrMind
got his ass handed to him by 3 beyonders, the same beyonders that got humiliated by ex nihilo and starbrand
Originally posted by MrMind
LT can't even reach the boots of angel brothers, let alone elaine
A notable comparison is that Lucifer needed a letter of passage from the Presence to leave creation, whereas the Adam Warlock with the Living Tribunal's power could do so at will (Infinity Finale).
Originally posted by MrMind
elaine is far above all of marvel, toaa included, by reigning over a much stronger fiction, and much bigger omniverse/multiverse
Originally posted by Astner
Yeah, and I still disagree with you. It's just a discrepancy in how we interpret these things. But that won't stop me from sharing my opinion.I'm not sure what you think the Spectre has done to put him on the level of the Living Tribunal.
Just going by the more popular cosmic portrayals, notable Crisis on Infinite Earths for the Spectre and Infinity Watch #1, the Living Tribunal dwarfed the power of the Infinity Gauntlet, that was dominating the universe. The Spectre needed to channel the power of the sorcerers of the Earth to match and thwart the Anti-Monitor, who had absorbed the power of a universe, and despite that the Anti-Monitor didn't have the same mastery over space and time as Thanos did with the Infinity Gauntlet.
This was due to Living Tribunal being weaker due to nascency of the universe, as explained in Ewing in one of the answer and question segment published in a future issue.
Yes, and this was explained as the Living Tribunal having some sort of weakness to the Beyonders or their technology, according to Tom Brevoorts tweet. He compared it to Batman using Kryptonite to defeat Superman or somesuch.
It's interesting that you say that because neither Lucifer or Michael were portrayed to be particularly powerful. Their powers were moreso insinuated than anything else, the exception was when they created a second universe/multiverse. Not to mention you have things like the titans stealing the Presence's power.
A notable comparison is that Lucifer needed a letter of passage from the Presence to leave creation, whereas the Adam Warlock with the Living Tribunal's power could do so at will (Infinity Finale).
This is blatant fanboyism and I don't see much of a point to bother with it.
That’s the wildest downplaying of COIE I’ve seen in a long time. He had ALL the power of the antimatter universe=multiverse, plus the matter multiverse which had been absorbed into his antimatter universe as he destroyed each. = two multiverses of power, plus was drawing the energy of greatest assembly of hero’s ever to try to replace The Hand(Perpetua.) in the blank void of creation. They couldn’t harm nor challenge him until Spectre arrived.
Tribunal wishes he had Spectre’s feats.
Originally posted by Juntai
That’s the wildest downplaying of COIE I’ve seen in a long time. He had ALL the power of the antimatter universe=multiverse, plus the matter multiverse which had been absorbed into his antimatter universe as he destroyed each. = two multiverses of power, plus was drawing the energy of greatest assembly of hero’s ever to try to replace The Hand(Perpetua.) in the blank void of creation. They couldn’t harm nor challenge him until Spectre arrived.Tribunal wishes he had Spectre’s feats.
The Anti-Monitor only absorbed the power of his universe. That's it.
And you don't want to drag Perpetua into this because even after he had regained most her powers she still exhausted herself destroying a single universe.
But it's Sunday and I have to wake up early tomorrow so I'll let you have this.
Originally posted by AstnerWeaker by what definition? Only to one involving itself. It was an entire multiverse. It was equal to antimatter universe. It’s self referential.
Bullshit. The universes in the positive matter multiverse were weaker than a regular universe precisely because they have fractured. This was explained twice in the original story, first by Harbringer and then by the Monitor.The Anti-Monitor only absorbed the power of his universe. That's it.
And you don't want to drag Perpetua into this because even after he had regained most her powers she still exhausted herself destroying a single universe.
But it's Sunday and I have to wake up early tomorrow so I'll let you have this.
We know it forged as a multiverse, not as a universe.
Agreed. Tribunal has to get to Spectre level before we can even begin to get to Monitor brother or Perpetual level.
By feats or stature he doesn’t even make it to Endless level.
lol at astner, still peddling the same crap i see, at least troll better
Originally posted by MrMind
lucifer's creation is as big and vast as his father's stated on panel. clarification for those marvel noobs/trolls his father's creation is the dc multiverseelaine fly through layers of lucifer's creation, with worlds and dimensions and all the other shit
Originally posted by MrMind
lol when lucifer was at the edge the void, outside of space time, he see dc multiverse as realities layered endlessly, infinite repetition. just to twist your eye and see the entire dc continuum from that perception, takes will beyond imagination.and when lucifer was in the overvoid he see creations rise and fall
elaine was stated that she should push the "absence of space" of the void in order create a new multiverse, which means that she can affect the overvoid. elaine with demiurgic powers scales to michael and michael scales to lucifer. not to mention later on elaine possess the power of the supreme being and was able to restore lucifer's power in v2
there were 3 creations in the overvoid, one of which was creation of elaine
since time has no real meaning in the void, all creations’ exist simultaneously, as seen when lucifer flew into the void with different versions of himself
"One and one are not two, if one and one cannot meet." The Void is infinite and eternal and no matter how large Creations you fill it with, they will never take up any room"
"It is a matter of perception. There is no time here. And no space. So all things are layered on themselves endlessly and perception twists around its own axis until its blinded by fullness, crippled by infinite repetition,"
lucifer was collapsing infinite universes in mansion of silence just by the presence of him being there
the Mansions of Silence other than that it is supposedly beyond Death's reach, far beyond heaven, houses all the rejected Creations
elaine was granted control over dc creation, becoming the new supreme being/God, replacing the presence. she was effectively omnipotent
as a supreme being, she has the omnipotence to grant lucifer morningstar his full power back, we all know how powerful lucifer morningstar is and elaine is even above him
soo yeah marvel fanboys bitterness not withstanding, lucifer solos all of marvel, elaine easily solos all of marvel
Originally posted by Astner
Bullshit. The universes in the positive matter multiverse were weaker than a regular universe precisely because they have fractured. This was explained twice in the original story, first by Harbringer and then by the Monitor.The Anti-Monitor only absorbed the power of his universe. That's it.
And you don't want to drag Perpetua into this because even after he had regained most her powers she still exhausted herself destroying a single universe.
But it's Sunday and I have to wake up early tomorrow so I'll let you have this.
lol nice try peddling feats from weakened perpetua, perpetua at full power was effectively omniversal
in the greater omniverse among all her brothers and sisters no being was more feared
in the sixth dimension, outside of source wall she transcends time and space, the infinite multiverses of the greater omniverse appearing to her as bubbles
if we want to go the low feats route, LT shat himself and ran away from freaking korvac
get this the mighty LT has the power to obliterate...stars...😂