Intelligent Design

At the core of Intelligent Design, Molecular Biologists become acquainted with DNA. Defined loosely, DNA are blue prints (information) utilized within the cell for the task of manufacturing, much like blue prints are utilized by architects for the task of manufacturing structures- stadiums for example. Molecular Biologists are forced to ponder: Where did the information come from? When nuclear submarines were invented and all its housed super computers, mankind did not say, "Amazing! What a wonderful mistake!" Intelligence is required to manufacture such a machine. Such complexity is present in all organisms, even slugs and meal worms. The big question is, however, where did the information stored in DNA come from? To better understand the complexity of organisms, let us focus on the cell. Click the hyper link below, and enlighten yourself to the automated presentation surrounding protein synthesis. Thank you.

http://www.lewport.wnyric.org/JWANAMAKER/animations/Protein%20Synthesis%20-%20long.html

Ahhh...how refreshing. Finally Intelligent Design is placed where it belongs....

IN THE RELGION FORUM

Leran some biology, learn what science is, then come back.

Originally posted by ushomefree
At the core of Intelligent Design, Molecular Biologists become acquainted with DNA. Defined loosely, DNA are blue prints (information) utilized within the cell for the task of manufacturing, much like blue prints are utilized by architects for the task of manufacturing structures- stadiums for example. Molecular Biologists are forced to ponder: Where did the information come from? When nuclear submarines were invented and all its housed super computers, mankind did not say, "Amazing! What a wonderful mistake!" Intelligence is required to manufacture such a machine. Such complexity is present in all organisms, even slugs and meal worms. The big question is, however, where did the information stored in DNA come from? To better understand the complexity of organisms, let us focus on the cell. Click the hyper link below, and enlighten yourself to the automated presentation surrounding protein synthesis. Thank you.

http://www.lewport.wnyric.org/JWANAMAKER/animations/Protein%20Synthesis%20-%20long.html

If the complexity of human DNA is evidence for Intelligent Design, then how do you explain the fact that 97% of human DNA is junk? Intelligent Design, indeed. 🙄

Originally posted by ushomefree
At the core of Intelligent Design, Molecular Biologists become acquainted with DNA. Defined loosely, DNA are blue prints (information) utilized within the cell for the task of manufacturing, much like blue prints are utilized by architects for the task of manufacturing structures- stadiums for example. Molecular Biologists are forced to ponder: Where did the information come from? When nuclear submarines were invented and all its housed super computers, mankind did not say, "Amazing! What a wonderful mistake!" Intelligence is required to manufacture such a machine. Such complexity is present in all organisms, even slugs and meal worms. The big question is, however, where did the information stored in DNA come from? To better understand the complexity of organisms, let us focus on the cell. Click the hyper link below, and enlighten yourself to the automated presentation surrounding protein synthesis. Thank you.

http://www.lewport.wnyric.org/JWANAMAKER/animations/Protein%20Synthesis%20-%20long.html

Woot for duplicate treads.

And the basis for your argument is garbage.

It's always amusing when a proponent Intelligent Design jumps up and says, "Because it's there it must have been on purpose!!!"

I am a believer in God, but I don't believe in the supernatural. If God did it, he could, and probably did, do it through some form of science.

Science isn't an attack on religion, why do they have to attack science? Religions should embrace science.

Religion is symbolic, science is factual... the two should not be confused.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If the complexity of human DNA is evidence for Intelligent Design, then how do you explain the fact that 97% of human DNA is junk? Intelligent Design, indeed. 🙄

You're right, but that theory is being revised. SOme stuff is porving to play more a role than we thouht.

There is still absolutly NO evidence for intelligent design.

Originally posted by Jonathan Mark
Religion is symbolic, science is factual... the two should not be confused.

It does not have to be, if there is a God I believe he follows a law that if we were to understand it we would term it in line with science. I do not believe in a supernatural entity. I believe in an entity that is capable of doing things that we do not understand on a level that we will probably never be able to understand. This does not mean supernatural. You could describe it as supernatural, based on what we understand at present, but I do not.

Symbolic statements do not mean non-factual, and fact does not prohibit symbolism. Anyone who denies scientific fact is a fool.

Originally posted by Regret
Anyone who denies scientific fact is a fool.

I'll drink to that. 😄

Originally posted by Alliance
I'll drink to that. 😄

I'll join you 😉

cheers

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium", 1941

That aside...
If our observable domain of space and time is the only one, then there is some real basis for considering that the countless constants in our spacetime, which came together to make it all work, did so via Intelligence (though not necessarily divine). Given one shot, it would be, perhaps, too much to expect from coincidence, though that possibility could not be ruled out just on principle.

But as scientists pursue unification theories, more and more it looks like our observable spacetime is not the only one; there may be an infinite number of spacetimes, each with its own set of physical laws. And given infinity to play with, sooner or later you will happen to get a spacetime that looks and behaves just like ours. It is purely a numbers game, no Intelligence need apply.

We have theories for empiricaly testing to see if these other spacetimes exist, and one day, if/when we have the technology, we will conduct those experiments.

Unfortunately, there can be no empirical test for the presence of God (defined here as intangible Spirit/Consciousness). Science itself may have to evolve one day (in terms of tools used and nature of proof) to test for God. But until then, it is best we stick with the simpler and potentially testable explanations.

Einstein didn't intend "God" to have its current reactionary meaning, he used is as sort as a mother Earth-mathematicals type god fused with this Jewish god. Sort of like the laws of Physics as God.

...similar to your ideas/current cosmologicla theory.

“The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms-it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man."

Albert Einstein, The World as I See It, Secaucus, New Jersey: The Citadel Press, 1999, p. 5.

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“My position concerning God is that of an agnostic."

Albert Einstein in a letter to M. Berkowitz, October 25, 1950

Yep, those are my points.

Yep, those are my points.

😆

Originally posted by Mindship
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Albert Einstein, "Science, Philosophy and Religion: a Symposium", 1941

That aside...
If our observable domain of space and time is the only one, then there is some real basis for considering that the countless constants in our spacetime, which came together to make it all work, did so via Intelligence (though not necessarily divine). Given one shot, it would be, perhaps, too much to expect from coincidence, though that possibility could not be ruled out just on principle.

But as scientists pursue unification theories, more and more it looks like our observable spacetime is not the only one; there may be an infinite number of spacetimes, each with its own set of physical laws. And given infinity to play with, sooner or later you will happen to get a spacetime that looks and behaves just like ours. It is purely a numbers game, no Intelligence need apply.

We have theories for empiricaly testing to see if these other spacetimes exist, and one day, if/when we have the technology, we will conduct those experiments.

Unfortunately, there can be no empirical test for the presence of God (defined here as intangible Spirit/Consciousness). Science itself may have to evolve one day (in terms of tools used and nature of proof) to test for God. But until then, it is best we stick with the simpler and potentially testable explanations.

Yeah, I'll drink to this one !!......We are only now starting to discover what lies whithin the invisible, and the powers it holds. 😖mart:

Originally posted by debbiejo
Yeah, I'll drink to this one !!......We are only now starting to discover what lies whithin the invisible, and the powers it holds. 😖mart:

Erm, you're not talking about ESP and supramystical forces and the global superconscious now are you? 😕

🙁

Originally posted by ushomefree
At the core of Intelligent Design, Molecular Biologists become acquainted with DNA. Defined loosely, DNA are blue prints (information) utilized within the cell for the task of manufacturing, much like blue prints are utilized by architects for the task of manufacturing structures- stadiums for example. Molecular Biologists are forced to ponder: Where did the information come from? When nuclear submarines were invented and all its housed super computers, mankind did not say, "Amazing! What a wonderful mistake!" Intelligence is required to manufacture such a machine. Such complexity is present in all organisms, even slugs and meal worms. The big question is, however, where did the information stored in DNA come from? To better understand the complexity of organisms, let us focus on the cell. Click the hyper link below, and enlighten yourself to the automated presentation surrounding protein synthesis. Thank you.

http://www.lewport.wnyric.org/JWANAMAKER/animations/Protein%20Synthesis%20-%20long.html

In the teachings of Buddhism there is a level of awareness that is called the 8th level of consciousness. This is the place were all cause and effect (karma) is stored. This is were the intelligence of the universe lives and interacts with its self. The blue prints, as you call them, are the product of billions of years of evolution. This process is indeed intelligent, but it is not from an outside source like a Christian god. It is the universe expressing its self in the only way that a universe like ours can. We are the eyes and ears of the universe looking upon its self.

IMO the problem with the interpretation of ID as a precursor to the argument for a Christian god is that a Christian god is inherently separate from the universe. There is nothing outside of the universe. The universe is complex beyond all comprehension, and complex systems, like the universe, act in ways that seem to parallel living being. Therefore, it is not a contradiction to view the universe as a living being, while maintaining the cold reality of the universal laws of physics.

Originally posted by Alliance
Erm, you're not talking about ESP and supramystical forces and the global superconscious now are you? 😕

🙁

Well actually It's some quantum physics theories....The invisible is not empty space....It's filled with stuff.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Why??

Well actually It's some quantum physics theories....The invisible is not empty space....It's filled with stuff.

Are you talking about nothingness? 😛