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LatinoStallion
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God's Love Is Limitted and Conditional

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What you fail to understand is that God's love and mercy will only be extended in this life, not in the life to come.

Then his love and mercy are entirely limitted and conditional by your own admittance.

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You must repent of your sins now before you die because once you die it is too late to ask God for forgiveness of your sins.

God's forgiveness is limitted then by your own admittance.

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God's love is not limited but humanity's life-span is.

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LatinoStallion
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God's love is not limited but humanity's life-span is.

God's Love is Limitted to Humanity's Life Span

God's Forgiveness is Limitted to Humanity's Life Span

God's Mercy is Limitted to Humanity's Life Span

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God is stupid.

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siriuswriter
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Please remember that this is only JIA's interpretation of Christianity...

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Darth Macabre
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Of course it is.

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LatinoStallion
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i know, im just bringing up a point....

If people are going to Hell, then God's Love is conditional..I am attacking a Christian Theory, not Christianity in general wink

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Boris
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Originally posted by Goddess Kali
I am attacking a Christian Theory, not Christianity in general

Pitty about that, it really should be attacked.

Jun 4th, 2007 01:50 AM

LatinoStallion
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Pitty about that, it really should be attacked.

aw come on...Christianity has certainly improved over the centuries

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siriuswriter
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I beg to differ, Boris.

I know Goddess Kali. wink

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Jun 4th, 2007 01:51 AM

LatinoStallion
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I beg to differ, Boris.

I know Goddess Kali.

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Ordo
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aw come on...Christianity has certainly improved over the centuries

Then realize where its regressions are limited too and quit making useless spam that is specifically designed to attack one member.

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LatinoStallion
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This is not spam, or a personal attack on JIA.

this thread is valid, because JIA brought up a really good point....and he is not the only person who argues this.

Many Christian debators on KMC will claim that God's love is absolute, eternal, and infinite, yet will have much trouble explaining how and why there is a time limit to his forgiveness.

If any Christian can explain this, please do so.

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Originally posted by Goddess Kali
Many Christian debators on KMC will claim that God's love is absolute, eternal, and infinite, yet will have much trouble explaining how and why there is a time limit to his forgiveness.

If any Christian can explain this, please do so.

God's love is eternal because in Christianity death isn't really death. It is merely a step into the next stage of life.

In some belief systems even if one is sent to hell there is a point at which such punishment is sufficient and God recieves the person who had been cast out.

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When I argue that God's love in absolute and unconditonal, my definition of this is both of time and space. God loves us so much here on earth - he gives us free will; he allows us to think; he has given us a brain with which to do these things. The very fact that we discuss "Do we have free will?" is a mark that God has given it to us.

God's love is also unconditional and absolute through time. Since I believe in Universalism (no one shall be sent to hell) I believe that God sent Jesus to die for everyone, and not just those that ask for it. Some people are incapabe of "asking for it" - the mentally challenged, for example. I don't think that God would condemn them just because they don't understand what "asking Jesus into their hearts" (evangelical terminology, not mine) means. That's actually what first started me thinking along the lines of Universalism - how many exceptions there would have to be to "Judgement."

At any rate. God's love does not stop with time, since Christians believe in an afterlife, and those who go to heaven continue to receive the glory of God's love. (And that's another vague phrase, isn't it? When I say that, I mean all the good things in life - which is to me, being able to think freely and critically, question, etc.)

I believe that God's love makes him understanding and, well, quite liberal. I believe that his love doesn't make him condemn people for their genetics-induced sexual orientation, for example. I don't think God would condemn you for something you can't help. That's not judgement -that's lunacy.

... and again I've managed to sound like a flower child. I hope I've managed to answer some of your questions, at least from my perspective, Goddess Kali.

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Jun 4th, 2007 02:11 PM

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Re: God's Love Is Limitted and Conditional

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Then his love and mercy are entirely limitted and conditional by your own admittance.

God's forgiveness is limitted then by your own admittance.

The Christian god is limited, therefore "his" love would also be limited.

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When I argue that God's love in absolute and unconditonal, my definition of this is both of time and space. God loves us so much here on earth - he gives us free will; he allows us to think; he has given us a brain with which to do these things. The very fact that we discuss "Do we have free will?" is a mark that God has given it to us.

God's love is also unconditional and absolute through time. Since I believe in Universalism (no one shall be sent to hell) I believe that God sent Jesus to die for everyone, and not just those that ask for it. Some people are incapabe of "asking for it" - the mentally challenged, for example. I don't think that God would condemn them just because they don't understand what "asking Jesus into their hearts" (evangelical terminology, not mine) means. That's actually what first started me thinking along the lines of Universalism - how many exceptions there would have to be to "Judgement."

At any rate. God's love does not stop with time, since Christians believe in an afterlife, and those who go to heaven continue to receive the glory of God's love. (And that's another vague phrase, isn't it? When I say that, I mean all the good things in life - which is to me, being able to think freely and critically, question, etc.)

I believe that God's love makes him understanding and, well, quite liberal. I don't think God would condemn you for something you can't help. That's not judgement -that's lunacy.

Very well said, and I hope that it is true. wink

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Shakyamunison
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Very well said, and I hope that it is true.

You are so cynical. laughing

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Jun 4th, 2007 10:21 PM

LatinoStallion
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Originally posted by siriuswriter
When I argue that God's love in absolute and unconditonal, my definition of this is both of time and space. God loves us so much here on earth - he gives us free will; he allows us to think; he has given us a brain with which to do these things. The very fact that we discuss "Do we have free will?" is a mark that God has given it to us.

God's love is also unconditional and absolute through time. Since I believe in Universalism (no one shall be sent to hell) I believe that God sent Jesus to die for everyone, and not just those that ask for it. Some people are incapabe of "asking for it" - the mentally challenged, for example. I don't think that God would condemn them just because they don't understand what "asking Jesus into their hearts" (evangelical terminology, not mine) means. That's actually what first started me thinking along the lines of Universalism - how many exceptions there would have to be to "Judgement."

At any rate. God's love does not stop with time, since Christians believe in an afterlife, and those who go to heaven continue to receive the glory of God's love. (And that's another vague phrase, isn't it? When I say that, I mean all the good things in life - which is to me, being able to think freely and critically, question, etc.)

I believe that God's love makes him understanding and, well, quite liberal. I believe that his love doesn't make him condemn people for their genetics-induced sexual orientation, for example. I don't think God would condemn you for something you can't help. That's not judgement -that's lunacy.

... and again I've managed to sound like a flower child. I hope I've managed to answer some of your questions, at least from my perspective, Goddess Kali.