geocentric theory: catholic propaganda?

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geocentric theory: catholic propaganda?

is it catholic propaganda or just idiots? if im remembering correctly the catholic church admitted galeleo was correct in the 60's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model

"In astronomy, the geocentric model of the universe is the disproved theory that the Earth is at the center of the universe and the Sun and other objects go around it."

Disproved is the key word.

Re: geocentric theory: catholic propaganda?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
is it catholic propaganda or just idiots?

That makes very little to argue on, don't you think?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model

"In astronomy, the geocentric model of the universe is the disproved theory that the Earth is at the center of the universe and the Sun and other objects go around it."

Disproved is the key word.


Please tell me how it is disproved, because if you believe in relativity; then geocentrism is just as viable as heliocentrism.

Re: Re: geocentric theory: catholic propaganda?

Originally posted by Transfinitum
That makes very little to argue on, don't you think?

ok and let me add, where is the proof for the geocentric theory? with modern instruments we can clearly see we are revolving around the sun

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geocentric_model


And for the record that is Wikipedia, not a scientific journal.

Originally posted by Transfinitum
And for the record that is Wikipedia, not a scientific journal.

well as we speak wikipedia is getting more and more reliable, they have analyzed most of the info and determined it to be around 70 % accurate or higher

Re: Re: Re: geocentric theory: catholic propaganda?

Originally posted by chickenlover98
ok and let me add, where is the proof for the geocentric theory? with modern instruments we can clearly see we are revolving around the sun

In fact we cannot. with Relativity all motion is relative. For example, if you are on the moon and see the earth appear to move; it is just as viable that you are going around it with the "illusion" of the earth in motion. Same thing could happen on earth with the sun in the heliocentric model. And further yet, if you were in the vacuum of space, you would still see motion because the center of the universe would reside at a point at or near the earth's center.

Originally posted by Transfinitum
Please tell me how it is disproved, because if you believe in relativity; then geocentrism is just as viable as heliocentrism.
Not really. We know where the center of the universe is.......and it's not us.

Originally posted by Transfinitum
Please tell me how it is disproved, because if you believe in relativity; then geocentrism is just as viable as heliocentrism.

Two reasons:

Venus has phases, and the planets periods match the planets orbits. These can only be true if the sun is the center of the solar system.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Two reasons:

Venus has phases, and the planets periods match the planets orbits. These can only be true if the sun is the center of the solar system.

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Two reasons:

Venus has phases, and the planets periods match the planets orbits. These can only be true if the sun is the center of the solar system.


Not true. If the planets of our solar system were revolving around the sun (the most massive object in our solar system), but the combined force of all the universe (including the solar system) rested at earth's center, then we would see the same phases. Also a geocentric model would make such things as red-shifts and tides much more plausible in the way they are created.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
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edit, in case u couldnt count, thats 1

Sorry, but I ran them together. 😮

Originally posted by Transfinitum
Not true. If the planets of our solar system were revolving around the sun (the most massive object in our solar system), but the combined force of all the universe (including the solar system) rested at earth's center, then we would see the same phases. Also a geocentric model would make such things as red-shifts and tides much more plausible in the way they are created.

😕 You will have to prove that.

Its simple, by the premies of relativity: the phases of Venus occur because supposedly we are passing it etc. But if the solar system was revolving around earth, the same effect would occur, but it would not be us passing Venus, but venus passing by us.

Originally posted by Transfinitum
Its simple, by the premies of relativity: the phases of Venus occur because supposedly we are passing it etc. But if the solar system was revolving around earth, the same effect would occur, but it would not be us passing Venus, but venus passing by us.

No, that is wrong. Remember the sun would also be going around us.

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Trans, do you consider yourself a Catholic? Because you're about 10 centuries too late to fit in. Besides, if this had any rational backing there'd be scientific debate. There isn't. Just because you can pull something that sounds intelligent (it's not, btw) out of your ass doesn't mean you're able to posit your own theories about anything. At least ID stupidity has some strength in numbers. But this is stupidity on....i dunno....a Corey Feldman 80's B-movie level.

"Ah yes, relativity yadda yadda yadda....and you see how it makes perfect sense that everything that's accepted by everyone around the world is false." Paraphrased, of course.

At least pick battles that make sense.

All this means is that you can wrongly apply parts of legitimate science to justify your quacked beliefs. At this point, you have me hoping that this is just trolling, because that would be preferable to thinking there's people who actually believe this.

This sh*t belongs in the conspiracy forum....generally there's at least some semblance of rationality in this forum, and we should try to keep it that way.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
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Trans, do you consider yourself a Catholic? Because you're about 10 centuries too late to fit in. Besides, if this had any rational backing there'd be scientific debate. There isn't. Just because you can pull something that sounds intelligent (it's not, btw) out of your ass doesn't mean you're able to posit your own theories about anything. At least ID stupidity has some strength in numbers. But this is stupidity on....i dunno....a Corey Feldman 80's B-movie level.

"Ah yes, relativity yadda yadda yadda....and you see how it makes perfect sense that everything that's accepted by everyone around the world is false." Paraphrased, of course.

At least pick battles that make sense.

All this means is that you can wrongly apply parts of legitimate science to justify your quacked beliefs. At this point, you have me hoping that this is just trolling, because that would be preferable to thinking there's people who actually believe this.

This sh*t belongs in the conspiracy forum....generally there's at least some semblance of rationality in this forum, and we should try to keep it that way.


Let me say that I am a Catholic. And a catholic who believes that traditional church teaching has a semblance of a chance to be accurate. And just because something is mostly disregarded does not mean it is absolute. What I have been arguing is scientific, not conspiracy. I pick my battles as I see them. And let me say in this argument, I do have a position.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No, that is wrong. Remember the sun would also be going around us.

Not true. The Geocentric model I am advancing suggests that the planets in the solar system revolve around the sun, but the combined universe as a whole revolves around earth. The sun would be going around us, but only in such a way as it appears to be now, therefore disproving your argument.

Originally posted by Transfinitum
Not true. The Geocentric model I am advancing suggests that the planets in the solar system revolve around the sun, but the combined universe as a whole revolves around earth. The sun would be going around us, but only in such a way as it appears to be now, therefore disproving your argument.

so ur saying we go around the sun but the universe goes around us? 😂 😆 😂 😂 😆