Why? Cloud is the real push over here. The guy couldn't even make it to SOLDIER. Squall became the commanding officer of SeeD at 17 years of age etc. Cloud simply has one fancy movie which lets him perform like a maniac. All we have to compare fight-wise are Squall's FFVIII intro which is way, way, way dated when compared to Advent Children.
At least by the time Squall finished the Ultimecia ordeal he managed to smile and get over his mood-swings. Unlike Cloud who decided to ignore the strength he had in order to become emo and whine/complain about how he didn't save Aerith or Zack. Going with that Squall is far more mature than Cloud if you think about it. Squall gets over his trauma and mood swings when he is 17. At 23 Cloud is still moody, depressed and emotionally unstable.
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Wow, this is utter bullshit.
You're calling Cloud an Emo? Let's see here:
"Though he remembers practically nothing of this past, it causes him to develop into an emotionally detached, highly cynical and introverted boy (his original goal is to go through life without any emotional links or dependencies, because "Others won't always be there. You can only rely on yourself".)"
"Squall is notable for being primarily a loner. Even compared to the originally indifferent Cloud Strife of Final Fantasy VII, he comes off as cold and deeply cynical."
By the time Cloud hits FF7 at the end, his emotional stability is at a status of OK!
That would be why he smiles at the end of AC when Zack and Aerith dissipate into the wind.
I've seen Cloud perform far more impressive features than Squall, even if Squall didn't have a movie.
And someone called FFVIII dated?
Hmm . . . Didn't FFVII surface before FFVIII? Why, it did. The game came before FFVIII and still showed Cloud to have extraordinary powers and the reason he was barely able to defeat Sephiroth is because Sephiroth was the more powerful opponent.
I mean, the first time Cloud finished Sephiroth, it was with the help of his friends. The second time, Sephiroth could have stabbed Cloud in the face and killed him, but went for the arm and spared him for some odd reason.
I don't see how Squall has this enormous chance of pwning Cloud, especially seeing as they're both emotionally unstable and fairly powerful.
I could see it go either way.
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I never implied Squall would win 10 out of 10. Quite in fact I said Squall could win some given he is no pushover. The reason I stated FFVIII is dated when compared to AC is because many youngsters are simply awed by flashiness. In gamefaqs I've argued with people who defended Squall in a vs. with Cloud, but when the movie was released they automatically changed sides because Cloud took on Bahamut Shin/Sin(whatever it's actually called), etc. Which is no big thing given Seifer has mutilated Odin. What extraordinary things did Cloud perform in FFVII that put him above Squall so much? What exactly? Why did I stress Cloud's emotions? Because someone started mentioning how Squall was, and I quote, a "moody git." Which is funny because at the end of FFVII Cloud is ok with who he is, but when AC starts Cloud's all of a sudden moping and complaining about how he is not strong enough. How he is just an Ex-SOLDIER wanna be when in reality he performed much better against Sephiroth than even Zack. Zack being considered the 2nd best SOLDIER after Sephiroth himself. But come to think of it it's just the writer's fault for disregarding Cloud's character development.
I agree. Sephiroth's flaw is the fact he still considers Cloud a puppet of his. Eventhough Cloud has stopped Sephiroth in his tracks 3 times now. I wonder.
Right. Gameplay wise he can? Hero renders Squall invincible, and then he can spam Lion Heart over and over again without getting touched. Not to mention in FFVIII the Active Time Gauge fills a lot faster than in FFVII. But in my opinion it's not wise to use gameplay elements in stuff like this.
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