Link has Midna, 999 rupees, 100 underwater bombs, 100 arrows, hawkeye, magic armor, hero clothes, light sword, hylian shield, claw shot, gale boomerang, all hidden skills, 1 bottle of Great Fairy Tears, 1 bottle of Rare Chu Jelly and 1 bottle of Blue Chu Jelly.
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1. Mario and Luigi (fireball)
2. Black Knight
3. Master Chief w/o armor just energy sword
4. Marth and Ike
5. Seigfried and Nightmare
6. Ganondorf
Takes place in Valhalla with the bases destroyed and only the mongoose. Link and Midna get 48 hours to learn the area.
After 12 hours the next fighter(s) appears on the opposite end of the area.
1. Mario can be equipped with the Lazy Shell armor (SMRPG:TLotSS) to reduce all damage to him down to 1 out of 150+ hp. Luigi with the 100 Points Pants (SMBSSS [or was it PiT?]) for a similar affect. Along with Castle lifting strength they aren't going anywhere.
2. Black Knight is ambiguous. This could be one of many several different characters; at least one of which is immortal and cannot be wounded.
3. I'm not sure about this one, but John does have the advantage of knowing how to use the Mongoose.
4. I'm not sure about this one.
5. I think Link could beat Nightmare or Seigfried, but not both at once.
6. No Light Arrows and no Silver Arrows means no victory against Ganondorf. There has been one single instance of Ganon being defeated without one of the two types of holy arrows being used and that was after a botched resurrection that left him incomplete (linked Oracles game). A fight against Ganondorf is not winnable without those weapons, even with Midna's help.
The Light Sword doesn't actually do anything outside of the Twilight Realm so it is a useless gesture. Ganondorf has to be weakened by Light or Silver Arrows before he can be taken down. Ganon has been shown to be unkillable with the Master Sword or even the Golden Sword (the most powerful sword in the series) and ONLY Silver or Light Arrows can deal enough damage to either kill or seal him. Without these arrows Link cannot possibly win against Ganondorf.
Actually, I always believed the Master Sword from ALTTP to be one of the weakest versions for the simple fact that it is corruptable. Another reason why I dont believe the timeline theory...
Corruptable? It was never corrupted. It was removed from the stone, reforged by the dwarves, and then enchanted by the Fat Fairy. The Four Sword has been corrupted, but that sword is a lesser sword of Evil's Bane.
Statistaclly speaking the Master Sword (WW) is the weakest version prior to being empowered, which then brings it to beyond the Master Sword's power from OoT (since this time it is actually able to kill Ganondorf[after several Light Arrows]). In Twilight Princess it is augemented with the power of the Sols to make the Light Sword, which again kills Ganondorf [after several Light Arrows].
In ALttP the Master Sword is on par damage wise when compared to the Master Sword in OoT. Then it is reforged, and enchanted and is then four times more powerful than the Master Sword was in OoT. Still at this time it cannot kill Ganon since Ganon has the complete Tri-Force rather than a single piece. Once weakened by the Master Sword he can be killed by the Silver Arrows though.
Either way the Arrows are still a crucial point in killing Ganon[dorf] and since Link doesn't have them in this fight then he cannot possibly win against Ganon.
Additionally from a purely statistical stand point both Light Arrows and Silver Arrows do more damage to standard enemies than a single sword slash from any varients of the Master Sword (with the exception of the Light Sword against Twilight Monsters, but since Light Arrows cannot be used as well it is possible that they too would instantly kill them as well since it works on the same princeple [attacking darkness based creatures with pure light]).
In one isolated instance when Ganon was not whole; yes. If we are talking about Ganondorf at any other time other than recently brought back from the dead, lost his mind, and is incomplete; no.
Light Arrows were needed in every instance before he could be harmed.
In OoT Light Arrows are used to bring down his defenses and magic protection and allow him to be harmed. The final blow is dealt by the Master Sword, yes, but only after several Light Arrows have weakened him.
In WW Light Arrows are absolutely required to even be able to land a blow on Ganondorf. Again the final blow is the Master Sword (killing blow this time) but only after several Light Arrows have weakened him.
In TP Light Arrows are again used to cause severe damage to Ganondorf and cause lasting vulnerability. The Master Sword is used to kill him again, but Light Arrows allowed the for him to be vulnerable again.
In FSA the Evil's Bane empowered Four Sword can only cause so much damage to Ganon. Only after reflecting his own magic back to him and sealing him with a Light Arrow is he defeated.
In ALttP the Golden Sword (an upgraded Master Sword) is only capable of causing Ganon to become vulnerable, then Silver Arrows must be used to cause lasting damage. The killing blow is dealt by a Silver Arrow (the 5th I believe).
In LOZ any sword can be used to weaken Ganon but only the Silver Arrows can kill him.
BS Scared Stone Tablets (possibly a non-canon game) is the same with the Master Sword only able to cause Ganon to become vulnerable while Silver Arrows are used to wound him. Incedently Ganon cannot be killed or sealed in this game; only defeated, but he appears fine and is fightable right after you defeat him.
It is ONLY in the linked Oracle games is Ganon killable without a Silver or Light Arrow. I remind everyone again that this resurection was incomplete and considered a failure; Ganon wasn't whole and he didn't have his normal attributes; it is an anomalous event.
So tell me at which point did I not make it clear that the Arrows are required to kill Ganon[dorf] while he is at the peak of his power?
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