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Umm... Alpha Bison can teleport, Mind Rape, with Psycho Powers, absolutely not an easy fight. It's been shown that during Alpha if Bison "even" chooses to fight remotely on a higher lvl that he absolutely destroys the majority of the SF cast for free.
He was stomping on the entire Doll Squad (Cammy included), along with Chunli, Guile, Ken, Sakura, Rose combined! Only when Ryu showed up did Dictator decide it was enough fun for one day.
Gill's a Demi-God, pure and simple, and I don't know all of Dante's feats, however Gouki strikes down mountains, islands, and sent a sunken ship outward from the ocean while shattering it into pieces.
Also, Dante is capable of dodging bullets...something that Ryu can do also, not to mention Ryu can punch with forces powerful enough to send out sonic boom waves. I don't see how this is "easy" on any standards to Dante.
[QUOTE=12687412]Originally posted by Frisky Dingo
[B]Dante can only use Gilgamesh and Beowulf and no DT 4 1-4. Dante can go all out after this Xcept no QS, Doppelganger, or fire arms.
1. Speed Blitz
2-Speed Blitz
3-Can't see how Seth would beat Dante. He does have that blackhole thing but I doubt it's gonna do much.
3.5-Speed Blitz
4-Speed Blitz
5- Now that Dante is all out, Oro goes down easy.
6-This is where things become dangerous. He's pretty durable and is top tier with Psycho Drive available. If Dante does win, this would be a close fight.
7-Without Devil Trigger, I can't see Dante winning this. Akuma hits hard enough to shatter the Savior and that's not even in his Shin form. Gauntlet ends here.
Speed Blitzing all of those that you mentioned doesn't make any sense...my problem is, that I don't know all of Dante's feats which is why it's difficult for me to make a proper estimation in this "theory" vs one. If I remember, couldn't Dante only be fast enough to dodge bullets? Something that Ryu can do with ease.
Also, "if" Dante could speed blitz Ryu, then what's to stop him from speed blitzing someone like Gouki? The reason being is that, Ryu has been shown time and time again being able to match speed for speed with Gouki, besides "possibly" only when Gouki uses Asura Warp. Outside of that, the two has been shown being able to match each other in this department, considering Ryu contested against Gouki in A2, and within the SF:IV Anime Trailer, both in fact being able to send out sonic boom wave strikes indicating that they would have be ridiculously fast to create that.
So I don't agree with that entire logic of being able to just simply "speed blitz" half of the noted characters within the SF cast listed here, considering Sagat would be equal to Ryu's speed feats, otherwise no way does Sagat rival Ryu, in which he does. SnH Ryu would have Asura Warp along with a greater magnitude of everything. Also, it's weird on the listing because with the showing of Seth, he's at most only equal to Ryu, with Ryu possibly being even more powerful then Seth.
Not to mention, I don't see how Dante beats the most powerful characters of the SF Cast. No way does he pass Alpha 3 Bison, just look to the SFII:AM, sure the storyline in there is not canon, however their specials and abilities in there are credible to what the real SF cast can do. Within the II:AM, Dictator when he uses his Psycho Power, Teleports, he even uses a Psycho Shield of some sort that deflects attacks and even projectiles, and when doing this...Ryu and Ken got completely ocved.
In fact, during the time he did this, Bison didn't even get touched once by any of the other SF cast. Plus the fact that he can Mind Rape you as well would have to be noted. However Alpha 3 Bison would be heads and shoulders above this version, and I concede that "if" he was able to pass the other SF cast characters (Again, I will not agree or disagree simply for the sake that I do not have sources to Dante's Canon Feats so it's hard to gauge him up against someone like Ryu), he would be in a world of hurt against A3 Bison...everyone has to remember, that during the Alpha Series Time Frame...Bison was the most powerful character during that time, yes, even more so then Gouki, whom at the time was powerful enough to sink an island.
Also, Gill being last is kinda weird, considering Gouki was able to SGS him with ease, considering Gouki was fast enough to catch Gill off guard.
Moving at great Supersonic speed doesn't make him "faster" then the entire Street Fighter Cast. Guile's "Regular" Sonic Boom Travels at the slowest Mach 2 for crying out loud (which would indicate that any SF such as Ryu who would need to be able to dodge this would have to move at also insanely high speeds), not to mention Guile has a far more powerful version of his Sonic Boom (Sonic Hurricane for example). We can't gauge the speed of Ryu's Hadouken due to the fact that it's elements are not equated to anything we can value in terms of speed. However if Ryu can easily dodge bullets, I don't believe dodging Mach 2 projectiles would be difficult for him otherwise Guile would flat out rape Ryu by simply throwing out a Sonic Boom. Also, catching a bullet with his teeth is nice and is something that is pretty neat for Dante, however that just shows he's probably got stronger teeth then Ryu, not that he's clearly heads and shoulders faster, the supposed speed doesn't put him over the strong to strongest SF Cast.
So again, the speed of feats between the two seem to be fairly equal, I was myself equating that Dante would of at the worse moving at speeds equivalent to Ryu. Remember, that not only does Ryu move fast...but he strikes incredibly fast. He was shown striking Seth from a standing (non-moving) position at point blank range, with so much speed and force that it sent out sonic boom shock waves which would be nothing short but amazing (Forgot to mention that Seth sits there ideally laughing and talking to Ryu while sustaining all of these hits, so Durability needs to be talked about as well considering Seth took all of these hits like childs play). Not to mention we should also take into consideration that the Ryu who did this was Street Fighter IV Ryu...a Ryu who is Pre-SFIII Ryu, meaning a much weaker Ryu then the absolute most current version who is now training under Oro. When Ryu was launching and landing these blows...he still hasn't even mastered the Denjin-Hadouken, or the Shinshoryuken yet.
So I don't see how Dante gets the "auto-win" button against these opponents simply with "speed blitz" considering that especially SnH Ryu would also have Asura Warp which is exactly what Gouki utilizes as well, and Asura Warping would be faster then any speed that even current Ryu would be capable of.
You have to also factor in more then just "speed" here, considering that someone like Ryu is sustaining hits from an opponent who simply slammed his fist to ground sinking an island (Remember, he used no super move to do that, nothing special, he just simply thrust his fist to the ground collapsing the entire island and sinking it). Now I'm not implying that Ryu is sustaining mountain busting and island busting attacks everyday, however to get hit by Gouki and survive is an amazing feat all of it's own.
I'm beginning to believe now that Dante is as powerful as the strongest characters of the SF World besides the Super Elite SF Class meaning...Alpha Bison, Gill, Oro, Shin-Gouki, and Ingrid (<--- she's Automatically in here, skipping across the clouds, Time Travel, Telekinesis, her powers so great that even if A3 Bison were to try and take it, he would implode not even allowing his soul to transfer out, and her statement of saying that being punched by SF contenders is equivalent to only the feeling of being tickled, plus the last fact that being a Goddess does alot to your status too, and she arguably may be the most powerful Street Fighter character we know of canon-wise).
So, again, to me, it's not a clean win, ocv, just "speed blitz" for the auto-win of the day just doesn't work for me. So from what I can gather with the post above just simply the fight against someone like Ryu vs Dante would be very equal.
There are characters who can Warp, and Teleport in the world of Street Fighter, Dante is not faster then "everyone" in the world in the Street Fighter.
Unless Dante does feats equivalent to the most powerful SF characters, I don't agree with this notion.
Last edited by JustFrame on Apr 27th, 2010 at 04:36 PM
When have they cannonly dodged a mach speed shockwave?
Teleport =/= speed.
Teleporting makes the person appear somewhere instantly. Hyperspeed means he can travel fast and attack at that speed too. Ie, can land a hit in 1/10,000th of a second, and thats without DT.
Not stronger then everyone on the SF cast but his base thousands of tons strength is amped (with Gilgamesh and DT) by 10x~ and then his hits get a very high velocity increase from his hyperspeed.
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I don't understand this, couldn't you just put the two together and make an conclusive estimation?
"If" The Sonic Boom (being Mach 2) was "unavoidable" characters like Guile would and should easily own characters such as Ryu who then would "not" be able to avoid it. Which then comes to the other conclusion, if nobody on the SF cast, especially the strongest characters were not able to "dodge" or was capable of avoiding this attack then the Sonic Boom should easily be the most powerful Broken Projectile in the world of SF which would basically give Guile a significant edge over every single character. However Guile is not even one of the most powerful SF cast members (by his ranking at least), in fact, he's not even on Ryu's Level, not to mention that we know that the Sonic Boom is absolutely not the most powerful Projectile in the world of Street Fighter at that.
Otherwise, Guile should be higher then Ryu in the SF Power Rankings simply by default of a Mach 2 Projectile that Ryu can't avoid, because this single attack should allow him to beat Ryu cleanly. More over, characters like Charlie who can launch Sonic Booms from his knee's, elbows, and feet (More powerful then Guile even) should have completely destroyed Alpha Bison, however Alpha Bison beat him like a toy. So just simply by gauging the fact that since Guile's SB moves at the least Mach 2 thus in order for someone like Ryu to able to dodge such an attack, he would need to be able to move faster then it in order to do so. Guile's Sonic Boom is in a form of a shock wave like form, or disturbance of the air or what not, not completely sure on how he does it, but it's a wave of some sort.
Not really hard to figure this out, plus the other big fact that bullets are useless up against Ryu which actually makes even more sense, considering their are bullets that move even faster then Mach 2 anyhow.
So Ryu moving super fast seems quite logical, and the potential that the other SF characters more powerful then him being faster is very possible, especially if they can teleport, warp, and all those things.
I understand Hyperspeed, however that does that make Dante being equal to Bison's Teleportation or Gouki's Asura Warp or even SnH Ryu's Asura Warp?
The thing is, in SFII:AM (yes, not canon storyline wise, but feat wise with their special abilities, they are canon) Ryu even with his phenomenal speed and strikes, couldn't even touch Bison once when Bison was teleporting. Not even once, in fact, through out that entire movie, not even one single character was capable of hitting Bison when he chose to teleport.
Yet this is Ryu, the same character who can punch fast enough to disperse the air and cause SB's, yet couldn't even lay a finger on Bison. I'm inclined to believe that Bison's Teleport, Gouki's Asura even Sim's Teleport>>>>Dante's speed.
Which is where I basically put placed him at if he were in the world of Street Fighter, as strong as the strongest SF Cast besides the Super Elite, so with the conclusion, I still feel that characters like Ryu would be able to contend against him, while characters like Gouki would flat out beat him. So from my conclusion, this isn't just a "free win" for Dante on any sorts.
Last edited by JustFrame on Apr 27th, 2010 at 05:52 PM
Wait, isnt a sonicboom from Mach 1? Dodging that move would require the same actions as dodging a punch. (the way the attack is launched, you could counter by the attackers aim) And strength wise it wouldnt be above other projectiles. Besides doing all that would mean good speed but mainly a reaction feat to evade. Eg people in different media can dodge bullets with great reactions with just above human speed.
Its because Bison can react faster then their attacks to start his teleport, Bison's reaction > their speed. But, Dante's speed > Bison's reactions. In the time it takes for him to think about teleporting Dante could of already hit him. Teleport=/=speed feat.
Wouldnt mind knowing how Ryu can compete with Dante. Oh, and got a Gouki speed feat?
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The biggest speadfeat dante has involves timestopper or quicksilver for the most part, However, his reactions and movement speeds are superhuman to say the least.
On that note though, so are the reaction speeds of a good chunk of Street Fighters.
Ryu probably can't compete in an overall sense with Dante. Speed feats for Gouki are basically Ryu's and Kens, but ramped up. plus he can travel anywhere on the planet in moments thanks to Asura Senkuu.
and as for dante out-speeding Bison's warp.... Err, no, Dante cannot react faster than thought. Hes not a DBZ character.
1-Ryu
Honestly, catchin' bullets wit your teeth is not as fast as dodgin' several bullets at close range like they were punches(like Ryu can). But, Dante has shown WAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY better speed feats than that so I have no idea why anyone would bring that up. Both Ryu and Dante are SUPER fast, Dante is just faster (not by SUPER ridiculous margins, tho). I would give Dante the edge in striking force and the edge in physical strength. Ryu's only real advantage is his Hadoukens and I'm sure Dante can get around those, too. All and all, given Dante's restrictions in this fight, I think he manages to edge out Ryu FTW. 'Should also keep in mind that Ryu's current levels are unknown, all we can say is that every feat he has ever accomplished can now be done better to a degree.
2-Sagat
Dante will most likely win.
3-Seth
Dante will most likely win again, given the fact that I don't take Seth's Ultra1 seriously at all.
3.5-SNH Ryu
Dante wins again, although if he slips up and gets caught by the SGS, he's done for.
4-Gouken
Dante will win, Gouken doesn't have much to gauge his powers with. So it's more leaned towards the unknown for me.
5-Oro
This is more up in the air for me. Oro can jump outta the atmosphere and survive reentry and this it as special move of all things. He can easily slam Dante around wit 1 hand if given the chance. He can also create Terra Destroyer (Black Wargreymon) (HUGE ass, nearly screen fillin' balls of chi) sized energy attacks. Not to mention that dude can TK boulders and a whole bunch of other shit at the same time. This can go either way, not sure who would win this.
6-Shin Bison
If Bison wasn't allowed to use his WMD, Dante would win. In fact, IRC, in DT Dante could fly? This would be one hell of a fight but I can see Dante just edgin' it out by avoidin' the Psycho Blast through flight...Hell No! Bison can fly faster than a jet. Dante goes down but not by alot, he could still possibly win. Bison's victory just seems more likely.
7-Shin Gouki
I give Dante a decent edge in speed but Akuma just has to punch him once to pretty much end it. Akuma takes this.
8-Gill
This man can part a sea, a sky, turn a whole mountain red and blue all at the same time, and all wit one have of his hand. He can easily wave that very same hand and part Dante.
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Dante would most likely stop at Shin Gouki. if the damage he's taken from the previous fights count, then it would seem likely for him to lose then, but he's not going to go down easily regardless of who it is.
I don't think anybody knows the full extent of Dante's power when he's in Devil Trigger form, thus I think he has a good chance against Shin Gouki, especially if he has the speed advantage.
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